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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis |
| Date | 2022-04-13 22:37 -0400 |
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On 4/13/2022 1:29 AM, patdolan wrote: > On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 9:29:13 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote: >> On 4/12/2022 8:19 PM, patdolan wrote: >>> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 2:27:14 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: >>>> patdolan <patd...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I lend my name to the following hypothesis: Do atomic clocks, indeed all >>>>> electronically based clocks, increase their tick rate with decreasing >>>>> electrostatic field? >>>> >>>> No, they are well shielded. >>>> And just curious: do you really believe that those scientist >>>> who invented, built, and operated atomic clocks for 70 years now >>>> are on the level of stupid amateurs like you? >>>> >>>>> It is a well known fact that the earth's electrostatic field near its >>>>> surface has a value from 100 to 300 volts per meter. This field, like >>>>> all electrostatic fields, diminishes as the reciprocal of the square of >>>>> the distance. >>>> >>>> Not really. More like linear. >>>> >>>>> Is this inverse square reduction of electrostatic field the >>>>> reason for increasing electronic clock rates? >>>> >>>> No. >>>> >>>>> The Dolan Hypothesis is easily tested by operating an atomic clock at >>>>> various distance from an Van de moo...oops...Van de Graaf generator. >>>> >>>> Nonsense. Atomic clocks are well shielded against external disturbances. >>>> And oops oops: Van de Graaff generator, not a rock band. >>>> (which you also oopsed) Can't you get anything right? >>>> >>>> Apart from that: the clock rate varies with the gravitational potential, >>>> and this has been verified to great accuracy >>>> over fifty years of clock operation in many standards labs, >>>> and by comparing them at the BIPM to compute TAI, >>>> >>>> Jan >>> >>> Jan, I consider myself quite successful at never trying to appear more intelligent than I actually am. >> You apparently succeeded, because you sure appear to be really stooopid! >>> "At present one cannot easily perform tests of relativity with the system because the SV clocks are actively steered to be within 1 microsecond of Universal Coordinated Time (USNO)." >> Again, all the drift is in the tens of nanosecond range, and is done >> after the GR correction. >> >> Also, your quote states the clocks are steered to be within 1 >> microsecond, yet GR effects are 38 microseconds each and every day? You >> haven't thought that through, have you. > > It's YOUR quote from YOUR link. It's a quote you mined (and misinterpreted) from a link I gave. > But let me think it through for you, chump. It stands to reason that each bird must be "steered" at least 38 times per day. Which is absurd. They are designed to be able to go a couple days with NO steering and remain within spec. Besides, there are portions of their orbits where the satellites are out of range of uplink stations for a few hours, while 38 "steerings" a day is more often than once every 38 minutes. (also the bird would drift substantially between steerings). Amusingly your claim they'd need adjustments 38 times/day simultaneously admits to GR time dilation and denies it. If there was NO GR time dilation, the clock would be set to the equivalent of 9192631770 just like all clocks everywhere else and transmit at 10.23 MHz, not at 10.22999999543 MHz. > Obviously they are steered far more often. Obviously not, when they are out of range of any uplinks for hours at a time and designed to stay within spec for days at a time with no adjustments. > Because, obviously, there are other factors responsible for far greater drift than 38 usec per day. No, the factors are in the range of several tens of nanoseconds per day, much smaller than 38,000 nS/day. > And please don't ask me to tell you what those factors might be OK, I won't ask you for those nonexistent huge adjustment factors. > until you have held a soldering gun in your delicate little paw. You should have seen me as a teenager, constantly tinkering with electronics with a soldering iron going. Not as much now but I still do. > > The point being that relativistic considerations have always been swamped by other engineering considerations when it comes to keeping time on a GPS satellite. Nope. If factors needing adjustments "swamped" the 38 uS/day factor, the GPS system would be completely useless. Remember, ignoring time dilation would push positioning off about 11 km/day, each and every day. > But thanks for the research. Your link to the 1978 document appears to be the only extant experimental for a 38.6 usec per day de-diltation The GPS systems still has the 38uS/day adjustment, so every time the nice lady voice says to turn right on your GPS app, it's proven. The GPS designers were so confident with that initial experimental result none of the following satellites had that "Newton/Einstein" switch. Besides an experiment only has to be done correctly ONCE. > during free fall. Why free fall? > And these results, just as with Eddington's eclipse results, have never been duplicated. Wrong. As to Eddington, do you realize that there have been many eclipses since 1919? And once we had the ability to launch satellites, eclipses weren't even necessary any longer? All a satellite needs is a sun shield disk to make its own "eclipse". Guess what? GR confirmed each and every time.
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Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-12 11:15 -0700
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-13 00:17 -0400
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-12 20:48 +0000
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Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-11 12:30 -0700
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Dumbestfuck Dolan Hypothesis "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-11 08:54 -0700
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-12 23:27 +0200
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-12 17:19 -0700
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-13 00:29 -0400
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-12 22:29 -0700
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-13 22:37 -0400
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-13 20:42 -0700
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Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-14 11:15 +0200
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-14 02:41 -0700
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-14 10:25 -0400
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-14 07:51 -0700
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-14 08:50 -0700
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-14 15:54 +0000
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-14 15:02 -0400
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Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-14 08:48 -0700
Lying piece of shit Pat Dolan gets to eat it "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-14 09:03 -0700
Re: Lying piece of shit Pat Dolan gets to eat it patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-14 09:13 -0700
Re: Lying piece of shit Pat Dolan gets to eat it "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-14 09:21 -0700
Re: Lying piece of shit Pat Dolan gets to eat it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-14 16:59 +0000
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-14 18:48 +0200
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-04-14 19:10 -0700
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-15 08:04 -0700
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-15 15:33 +0000
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-15 23:06 +0200
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Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-13 10:35 +0200
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-13 08:40 -0700
Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-13 18:24 +0200
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