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Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis

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Date	2022-04-11 10:51 -0700
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Subject	Re: The Dolan Atomic Clock Hypothesis
From	Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>

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On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 2:36:28 PM UTC-3, tjrob137 wrote:

<snip>

> No clock is "sensitive to gravitational time dilation", or any other 
> type of "time dilation". But SIGNALS from clocks are subject to the way 
> the time interval between them is measured, which is the source of all 
> types of "time dilation" -- that is inescapable. 
> 
> [To measure the time interval between two signals, a clock 
> must project the interval between the signals onto itself. 
> That depends on the (null) trajectories of the signals, 
> the trajectory of the clock, and the spacetime metric at 
> the location of the measurement.] 

But this is plain heresy, coming from a pure breed relativist.

Then, it comes to be that t' = t for every clock, yet Δt' ≠ Δt when signals are exchanged!

This means that "proper time" doesn't exist by itself, and that only manifestates indirectly when any two given clocks
exchange data with electromagnetic signaling?

Or did you think about signaling by using gravitational wave carriers?

Could you clarify this?

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