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Re: Should we synchronize clocks?

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Am Mittwoch000001, 01.04.2026 um 10:21 schrieb Maciej Woźniak:
> On 4/1/2026 9:41 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am Dienstag000031, 31.03.2026 um 10:05 schrieb Maciej Woźniak:
>>> On 3/31/2026 9:14 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>> Am Montag000030, 30.03.2026 um 10:14 schrieb Maciej Woźniak:
>>>>> On 3/30/2026 8:58 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>> Am Sonntag000029, 29.03.2026 um 21:36 schrieb Victo Grzeskiewicz:
>>>>>>> Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time is what clocks indicate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> no, that's a reading of a time stamp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time isn't the reading of a clock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That statement (of Einstein) was hilarious nonsense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clocks are man-made devices and time should be understood as a 
>>>>>> phenomenon in nature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And nature is not supposed to care about what humans have created 
>>>>>> or read out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nature isn't. Time absolutely is.
>>>>>
>>>> What you essentially say:
>>>> time is an artifact.
>>>>
>>>> I don't agree, because time is a natural phenomenon.
>>>
>>> We're calling with this word: TAI, UTC, zone times.
>>> They're artifacts.
>>> Physics is calling with this word some mystical
>>> nonsense it was never able to specify (the only
>>> definition it was ever able to make leads to our
>>> times, not her time).
>>>
>>
>> Actually the rotation of the Earth was used to define days, hours, 
>> minutes and seconds.
>>
>> And the Earth isn't an artifact.
> 
> Earth is not an artifact, time is not Earth.
> We're calling with this word: TAI, UTC, zone times.
> They're artifacts.

Hours and seconds are not time, but units for the measuremnt of time.

What time itself actually 'is', that is still debated. But time is 
certainly not man made.

You should distinguish between a quantity (here: time) and the 
measurement of a quantity and the device to do that (a clock) and the 
units used (here: seconds).

These are all different categories and belong to different realms.

Therefore, Einstein's statement, that time is what a clocks says, was 
blatant nonsense.

Time is, what clocks measure!

But the measurement and the measured quantities are not the same thing.

Anyhow...

Now we measure time with clocks and need units to express our 
measurements in numbers.

This is what e.g. seconds and years are used for.

Timezone are a differen story, too, because they have actually nothing 
to do with time, but depend on the local sunrise.
...


TH

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        Re: Should we synchronize clocks? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-31 09:14 +0200
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            Re: Should we synchronize clocks? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-04-01 09:41 +0200
              Re: Should we synchronize clocks? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-04-01 10:21 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-04-03 09:56 +0200
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