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Re: What is a photon

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, sci.math
Subject	Re: What is a photon
Date	2025-06-12 06:29 +0200
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Am Donnerstag000012, 12.06.2025 um 04:01 schrieb Bertitaylor:
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 5:30:00 +0000, Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
>> Am Montag000009, 09.06.2025 um 07:33 schrieb Bertitaylor:
>>> On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 4:46:57 +0000, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am Donnerstag000005, 05.06.2025 um 13:51 schrieb bertitaylor:
>>>>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 12:32:19 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Den 04.06.2025 10:39, skrev Bertitaylor:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 11:22:38 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Den 02.06.2025 05:16, skrev Bertietaylor:
>>>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2025 12:46, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Experiments show that the speed of light is invariant: [...]
>>>>>>>>>>> How is that possible if light is waves in an aether ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Speed of light has to be variant in the Copernican model. Light 
>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>> wave. All waves need media to propagate. Light's medium is aether.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A bit confused, Bertietaylor?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You use the Copernican model to defend your claim
>>>>>> that the speed of light isn't invariant, and are
>>>>>> not confused? :-D
>>>>>
>>>>> Why should we be? Are you thick? We have following Arindam said 
>>>>> clearly
>>>>> that as the Earth moves, light speed has to be variant as the nulls in
>>>>> MMX could not happen otherwise. The foolish or sinister physicists 
>>>>> have
>>>>> either not thought of or ignored the fact that the Earth's movement
>>>>> would cause light to move more or less between any two points on the
>>>>> moving Earth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Copernican model is wrong, the Sun isn't the centre of the
>>>>>>>> Universe.
>>>>>>>> And in 1543 Copernicus  knew nothing about the speed of light.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Sun is at the centre of the solar system, of which you may have
>>>>>>> heard. The Earth goes around the Sun. The Sun and the planets do
>>>>>>> NOT go
>>>>>>> around the Earth in crystal spheres. Where the stars are supposedly
>>>>>>> light from Heaven casting their light through pricks on the crystal
>>>>>>> spheres.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that means that the speed of light isn't invariant? :-D
>>>>>
>>>>> Light speed would be invariant as per MMX if the Earth did not move in
>>>>> space as the Aristotle model has it.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have following Arindam said clearly that as the Earth moves, light
>>>>> speed has to be variant as the nulls in MMX could not happen 
>>>>> otherwise.
>>>>> The foolish or sinister physicists have either not thought of or 
>>>>> ignored
>>>>> the fact that the Earth's movement would cause light to move more or
>>>>> less between any two points on the moving Earth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But forget quantum theories, it is irrelevant to the question
>>>>>>>> if the speed of light is invariant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many experiments are performed to answer the question.
>>>>>>>> A few of them:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://paulba.no/paper/Kennedy_Thorndike.pdf
>>>>>>>> https://paulba.no/paper/Michelson_1913.pdf
>>>>>>>> https://paulba.no/paper/Alvager_et_al.pdf
>>>>>>>> https://paulba.no/paper/Babcock_Bergman.pdf
>>>>>>>> https://paulba.no/paper/Brecher.pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The result is that it is thoroughly confirmed that
>>>>>>>> the speed of light is invariant.
>>>>>
>>>>> However the big daddy of them all, the MMX, clearly shows that the 
>>>>> light
>>>>> speed is variant as the Earth moves. If the fact that light moves a
>>>>> greater or lesser distance between two points on the moving Earth is
>>>>> ignored, the experiments will start off with a false basis.  So 
>>>>> nothing
>>>>> true will come from such an horrendous bungle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I ask you again:
>>>>>>>> How can the speed of a wave in an aether be invariant?
>>>>>
>>>>> It is never invariant. It is always variant for all objects in the
>>>>> universe move with respect to the common static medium, that is aum or
>>>>> aether.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is the speed of light measured in a frame of reference
>>>>>>>> where the aether is stationary?
>>>>>
>>>>> The speed of light will always APPEAR to be invariant in an experiment
>>>>> like MMX whereas it is variant. Making APPEARANCE reality, on the
>>>>> unscientific subjective basis, is the constitution of Einsteinian
>>>>> pseudo-physics.
>>>>>
>>>>> That light speed is variant is clearly shown from the Doppler effect,
>>>>> like radar or redshift and blueshift in the stars as the go away or 
>>>>> come
>>>>> near.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is the speed of light measured in a frame of reference
>>>>>>>> where the aether is moving with the speed v?
>>>>>
>>>>> Aether does not move. The speed of light from a plane flying at 
>>>>> speed v
>>>>> to a radar on the ground is c+v.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No answer, Bertietaylor?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, we cannot answer to all as promptly as we might wish. Lots of
>>>>> other things to do, what.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am beginning to suspect that you are unable to answer the question:
>>>>>> "How can the speed of a wave in an aether be invariant?"
>>>>>
>>>>> It cannot be invariant, it will always be variant. However on Earth we
>>>>> may measure the speed as c following the usual methods. Also, 
>>>>> Maxwell's
>>>>> equations provide a value for c, which match experimental values.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe you don't know what invariant means?
>>>>>
>>>>> Invariant means that the speed does not depend upon the speed of the
>>>>> emitter, in this case.
>>>>
>>>> Actually 'invarinat speed of light' means, that light travels always
>>>> with the same speed through vacuum.
>>>
>>> As measured from the moving Earth, yes. It also matches the value found
>>> from Maxwell's equations and the values of permittivity and
>>> permeability, triumphantly showing the wave nature of light. However
>>> with respect to static solid aether filling the universe it's speed
>>> depends upon the velocity of its emitter.
>>
>>
>> ALL velocities are 'observer dependent', if you attatch the frame of
>> reference to the observer.
> 
> Quite so a moving observer sees higher velocities or lower velocities
> from any source.

subjectivism would require to 'halt' the observer, because observers do 
not move in respect to themselves.


>>
>> That is actually useful, because that is how we observe the world.
> 
> Our observations may be correct but our analysis may be flawed and our
> conclusions wrong.
???

Don't understand

...

TH

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                Re: What is a photon Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-11 07:30 -0700
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                Re: What is a photon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 12:09 -0700
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        Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-15 09:52 +0000
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    Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-14 23:20 +0000
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