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Re: What is a photon

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: What is a photon
Date	2025-06-11 07:30 +0200
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Am Montag000009, 09.06.2025 um 07:33 schrieb Bertitaylor:
> On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 4:46:57 +0000, Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
>> Am Donnerstag000005, 05.06.2025 um 13:51 schrieb bertitaylor:
>>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 12:32:19 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Den 04.06.2025 10:39, skrev Bertitaylor:
>>>>> On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 11:22:38 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Den 02.06.2025 05:16, skrev Bertietaylor:
>>>>>>>> On 01/06/2025 12:46, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Experiments show that the speed of light is invariant: [...]
>>>>>>>>> How is that possible if light is waves in an aether ?
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speed of light has to be variant in the Copernican model. Light is a
>>>>>>> wave. All waves need media to propagate. Light's medium is aether.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A bit confused, Bertietaylor?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not at all.
>>>>
>>>> You use the Copernican model to defend your claim
>>>> that the speed of light isn't invariant, and are
>>>> not confused? :-D
>>>
>>> Why should we be? Are you thick? We have following Arindam said clearly
>>> that as the Earth moves, light speed has to be variant as the nulls in
>>> MMX could not happen otherwise. The foolish or sinister physicists have
>>> either not thought of or ignored the fact that the Earth's movement
>>> would cause light to move more or less between any two points on the
>>> moving Earth.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Copernican model is wrong, the Sun isn't the centre of the
>>>>>> Universe.
>>>>>> And in 1543 Copernicus  knew nothing about the speed of light.
>>>>
>>>>> The Sun is at the centre of the solar system, of which you may have
>>>>> heard. The Earth goes around the Sun. The Sun and the planets do 
>>>>> NOT go
>>>>> around the Earth in crystal spheres. Where the stars are supposedly
>>>>> light from Heaven casting their light through pricks on the crystal
>>>>> spheres.
>>>>
>>>> And that means that the speed of light isn't invariant? :-D
>>>
>>> Light speed would be invariant as per MMX if the Earth did not move in
>>> space as the Aristotle model has it.
>>>
>>> We have following Arindam said clearly that as the Earth moves, light
>>> speed has to be variant as the nulls in MMX could not happen otherwise.
>>> The foolish or sinister physicists have either not thought of or ignored
>>> the fact that the Earth's movement would cause light to move more or
>>> less between any two points on the moving Earth.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> But forget quantum theories, it is irrelevant to the question
>>>>>> if the speed of light is invariant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many experiments are performed to answer the question.
>>>>>> A few of them:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://paulba.no/paper/Kennedy_Thorndike.pdf
>>>>>> https://paulba.no/paper/Michelson_1913.pdf
>>>>>> https://paulba.no/paper/Alvager_et_al.pdf
>>>>>> https://paulba.no/paper/Babcock_Bergman.pdf
>>>>>> https://paulba.no/paper/Brecher.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The result is that it is thoroughly confirmed that
>>>>>> the speed of light is invariant.
>>>
>>> However the big daddy of them all, the MMX, clearly shows that the light
>>> speed is variant as the Earth moves. If the fact that light moves a
>>> greater or lesser distance between two points on the moving Earth is
>>> ignored, the experiments will start off with a false basis.  So nothing
>>> true will come from such an horrendous bungle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I ask you again:
>>>>>> How can the speed of a wave in an aether be invariant?
>>>
>>> It is never invariant. It is always variant for all objects in the
>>> universe move with respect to the common static medium, that is aum or
>>> aether.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the speed of light measured in a frame of reference
>>>>>> where the aether is stationary?
>>>
>>> The speed of light will always APPEAR to be invariant in an experiment
>>> like MMX whereas it is variant. Making APPEARANCE reality, on the
>>> unscientific subjective basis, is the constitution of Einsteinian
>>> pseudo-physics.
>>>
>>> That light speed is variant is clearly shown from the Doppler effect,
>>> like radar or redshift and blueshift in the stars as the go away or come
>>> near.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the speed of light measured in a frame of reference
>>>>>> where the aether is moving with the speed v?
>>>
>>> Aether does not move. The speed of light from a plane flying at speed v
>>> to a radar on the ground is c+v.
>>>>
>>>> No answer, Bertietaylor?
>>>
>>> Well, we cannot answer to all as promptly as we might wish. Lots of
>>> other things to do, what.
>>>>
>>>> I am beginning to suspect that you are unable to answer the question:
>>>> "How can the speed of a wave in an aether be invariant?"
>>>
>>> It cannot be invariant, it will always be variant. However on Earth we
>>> may measure the speed as c following the usual methods. Also, Maxwell's
>>> equations provide a value for c, which match experimental values.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you don't know what invariant means?
>>>
>>> Invariant means that the speed does not depend upon the speed of the
>>> emitter, in this case.
>>
>> Actually 'invarinat speed of light' means, that light travels always
>> with the same speed through vacuum.
> 
> As measured from the moving Earth, yes. It also matches the value found
> from Maxwell's equations and the values of permittivity and
> permeability, triumphantly showing the wave nature of light. However
> with respect to static solid aether filling the universe it's speed
> depends upon the velocity of its emitter.


ALL velocities are 'observer dependent', if you attatch the frame of 
reference to the observer.

That is actually useful, because that is how we observe the world.

I call this scheme 'subjectivism', which means: if all observers are of 
equal rights, than all possible observers need to observe a different 
world. And all observers observe necessarily from their own position.

Now this contaions a part, which is against certain assumptions about 
the world, but despite of this is true:

we don't see the same world!

This is easy to prove:

we see the others, but not ourself, while others do the same, but with 
somebody else as 'I'.

So: if all observers are of equal rights, we cannot assume, that they 
all see the same world.

Instead we need to assume, that everybody see the world from the own 
perspective (->'subjectivism').

Now the coordinate system of each and every observer is  a different 
one, because every observer uses the own position (naturally) as 'zero 
spot' and the local 'up' as z-axis, right as x and ahead as y-axis.

That spot carries also a local time, hence time is also 'relative'.

Now we usually ignore this and think, that we all live in the same 
world, hence see the same things.

But that is, of course, only an illusion.



>> This does, of course, include independence from the speed of the
>> emitter.
> 
> Which is wrong as the MMX and Doppler prove both on Earth and from the
> stars.

A 'very sticky' misconception is hidden in the term 'the stars'.

What we actually see in the night sky is not real, but a picture, which 
we receive from the past.

This picture is organised in 'cyrstall spheres' (of equal distance), the 
further away the longer ago.

Since everything moves, we cannot use the stars as reference points, 
because we would need to create a consistent picture of stars at their 
present positions at the same time first, before we could use star 
positions as reference.

Unfortunately this is VERY (!!) difficult, hence not done.

Cosmology swept this problem 'under the rug', because it is almost 
impossible to solve.

...


TH

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                Re: What is a photon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-23 09:48 -0700
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                Re: What is a photon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-23 09:52 -0700
              Re: What is a photon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-22 13:32 -0700
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                Re: What is a photon "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-19 18:04 +0200
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                Re: What is a photon "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-19 20:01 +0200
                Re: What is a photon Harlie Antonakos <hhnh@atliahhi.gr> - 2025-06-19 22:38 +0000
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      Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-06-02 03:14 +0000
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          Re: What is a photon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-02 14:36 -0700
            Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-03 00:18 +0000
              Re: What is a photon Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-02 17:38 -0700
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-11 03:29 +0000
                Re: What is a photon Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-11 05:24 -0700
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                Re: What is a photon Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-11 07:30 -0700
              Re: What is a photon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-03 11:55 -0700
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                Re: What is a photon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 12:09 -0700
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    Re: What is a photon nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-06-02 20:21 +0200
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        Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-15 09:52 +0000
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                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-18 08:24 +0000
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    Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-14 23:20 +0000
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      Re: What is a photon "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-16 22:35 +0200
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                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-22 22:56 +0000
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                Re: What is a photon Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-29 06:09 +0200
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-29 04:28 +0000
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-29 10:20 +0000
                Re: What is a photon Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-30 14:12 +0200
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-30 14:02 +0000
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          Re: What is a photon Roger Babintsev <gnr@geibrrgv.ru> - 2025-06-17 10:15 +0000
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