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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Sync two clocks |
| Date | 2024-08-22 09:02 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lio63qFf36mU7@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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Am Mittwoch000021, 21.08.2024 um 20:42 schrieb Paul.B.Andersen: > Den 20.08.2024 17:12, skrev Richard Hachel: >> Le 20/08/2024 à 15:39, Python a écrit : >> >>> Hachel now pretends that tB − tA = t'A − tB can be true or false >>> depending on the observer. >> >> You are lying. >> >> I do not claim it "now". This is what I have always said for at least >> 40 years. >> >> Now, yes, obviously I assume it. >> >> The value (tA'-tA) = 2AB/c is the same not only for A and B, but also >> for all the stationary points of the inertial frame of reference of A >> and B. >> >> Better, if I change frame of reference it will remain true, by >> invariance of the transverse speed of light in any frame of reference. >> >> On the other hand the value tB-tA (go) will vary for most observers in >> R (where A and B are stationary), as will the value tA'-tB (return). >> >> But you cannot understand this, because 1. You are stupid and because >> 2. because you are tied up with relativistic thoughts all learned, but >> false. >> >> R.H. > > Richard, read your watch NOW. Write down the time nn:nn:nn. > The time nn:nn:nn is a proper time (read off a clock), it is > invariant, not depending on frame of reference. > > Nobody can have another opinion of what time YOU read of YOUR watch. > > How is it possible to fail to understand this? > > If we have two stationary clocks in an inertial frame, > and clock A shows tA = t1 when it emits light, > and clock B shows tB = t1 + td when the light hits it, > and clock A shows tA'= t1 + 2⋅td when it is hit by the reflected light, > > then tA, tB, tA', t1 and td are all proper times which are frame > independent (invariants) and "the same for all". > > tB − tA = t'A − tB = td > > The transit time td is a frame independent invariant and > the same in both directions, which means that the clocks according > to Einstein's _definition_ are synchronous in the inertial frame. You introduced t_d or 'transit time' (aka 'delay'), while Einstein didn't use any of these terms. Therefore, you have read something, that should be there, but wasn't. In fact I have spent a lot of time to verify, that 'delay' or anything equaivalent was actually missing in Einstein's 1905 paper. Now you have invented in your own mind something, what should be there (but wasn't). To verify my statement yourself, you need to go carefully through the paper and identify the statement, where you think, that Einstein had delay (or anything equivalent) in mind. But I was unsuccesful in this realm, because Einstein simply forgot delay. That's why you can search as long as you like for 't_d' or 'delay' or 'transit time', because they are not present. Also no equation or any other statement can possibly be interpreted as calculation of transit time. It's simply not there! TH ...
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