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Re: Sync two clocks

From The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
Subject Re: Sync two clocks
Date 2024-08-23 08:03 -0700
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Richard Hachel wrote:
> 
> Le 23/08/2024 à 13:23, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
> >
> > https://paulba.no/paper/Electrodynamics.pdf
> > Quote from § 1. Definition of Simultaneity:
> > -------------------------------------------
> > "If at the point A of space there is a clock, an observer at
> >   A can determine the time values of events in the immediate
> >   proximity of A by finding the positions of the hands which
> >   are simultaneous with these events.
> >   If there is at the point B of space another clock in all
> >   respects resembling the one at A, it is possible for an observer
> >   at B to determine the time values of events in the immediate
> >   neighbourhood of B.
> >   But it is not possible without further assumption to compare,
> >   in respect of time, an event at A with an event at B.
> >   We have so far defined only an “A time” and a “B time.”
> >   We have not defined a common “time” for A and B, for
> >   the latter cannot be defined at all unless we establish
> >   by definition that the “time” required by light to travel
> >   from A to B equals the “time” it requires to travel from B to A.
> > "
> >
> > If you can read, you will see that Einstein did say what I said.
> 
> Here is finally a solid basis.
> And that is very well said.
> The small drawback that remains is that Einstein proposes a definition,
> but without explaining which observer will be able to consider the
> proposition as true.
> Einstein proposes an interesting synchronization, and that I take up again
> by speaking of synchronization of type M,
> based on an imaginary observer placed in M ​​in a teletransverse way
> in an abstract fourth dimension.
> The problem is that he does not say it or at worst, he does not know it.
> Saying "Between A and B, the speed of light is c, we know it, because we
> have measured it" does not make sense. Who measures this speed? A? No. B?
> Neither. We must therefore define things. Saying:
> "My dear Jane, I bought an animal", is ridiculous.
> We must say "My dear Jane, I bought for your birthday this white horse
> that you wanted".
> This is why, for 40 years, I have been saying that this introduction needs
> to be rewritten in a clearer, more understandable and more obvious way.
> 
> R.H.


What about...not A, not B, but C.

C measures the speed.


C measures...everything.


I'm C


see?

do you C?

i can C


..furthermore, i don't understand how anyone thinks
they can sync two clocks if Time Dialation will always
UN-sync...a clock?

Even if I put my watch 5 minutes ahead...
i'm still going to be late!













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                Re: Sync two clocks Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-16 14:32 +0200
          Re: Sync two clocks  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-16 12:35 +0000
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            Re: Sync two clocks  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-16 12:51 +0000
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      Re: Sync two clocks Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-17 11:26 +0300
        Re: Sync two clocks  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-17 08:56 +0000
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            Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-17 15:35 +0200
          Re: Sync two clocks Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-18 15:05 +0300
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        Re: Sync two clocks Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-19 23:13 +0200
        Re: Sync two clocks  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-19 23:15 +0000
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            Re: Sync two clocks  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-19 23:41 +0000
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            Re: Sync two clocks  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-20 00:35 +0000
              Re: Sync two clocks hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-08-20 02:26 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-20 02:56 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-08-20 11:31 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-20 13:10 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-20 03:12 +0000
          Re: Sync two clocks Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-20 14:13 +0300
            Re: Sync two clocks  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-20 11:27 +0000
              Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-20 14:01 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-20 12:43 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-20 14:56 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-20 15:59 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-08-20 13:02 +0000
              Re: Sync two clocks Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-22 11:07 +0300
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                Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-22 12:11 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-22 10:57 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-22 11:09 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-22 20:20 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-22 20:26 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-22 19:12 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-23 13:23 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-23 11:45 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-23 15:21 +0300
                Re: Sync two clocks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-08-23 08:03 -0700
                Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-23 17:05 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-23 18:16 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-23 20:39 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-23 11:54 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-23 21:03 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-23 11:57 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-23 16:04 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-23 16:52 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-23 22:42 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-24 13:57 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-23 21:45 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-23 21:08 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-08-23 21:21 -0700
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            Re: Sync two clocks  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-20 14:45 +0000
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                Re: Sync two clocks  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-20 15:28 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-20 17:32 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-20 16:18 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-20 18:22 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-20 18:38 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-20 18:42 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-20 19:46 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-21 09:51 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-21 11:07 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Damon Del bosque <qleb@ddqqled.es> - 2024-08-21 10:11 +0000
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                Re: Sync two clocks Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-21 09:58 +0200
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                Re: Sync two clocks László Buzás <iz@stssb.hu> - 2024-08-21 08:33 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-22 14:24 +0300
                Re: Sync two clocks Harrison Leontarakis <niore@rol.gr> - 2024-08-22 14:00 +0000
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                Re: Sync two clocks Darien Rorris <rrdoe@dio.gr> - 2024-08-23 23:08 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-24 07:52 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Hershel Fournier <nero@fs.refr> - 2024-08-24 20:04 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-24 11:06 +0300
                Re: Sync two clocks Badyaev Pavlinov <eviyip@ipl.ru> - 2024-08-20 16:41 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-22 11:08 +0300
              Re: Sync two clocks Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-22 10:59 +0300
          Re: Sync two clocks "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-20 15:08 +0200
            Re: Sync two clocks Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-20 16:01 +0200
              Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-20 16:03 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-20 16:39 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-20 16:42 +0200
        Re: Sync two clocks  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-19 23:25 +0000
          Re: Sync two clocks "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-20 15:34 +0200
            Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-20 15:39 +0200
              Re: Sync two clocks  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-20 15:12 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-20 17:17 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-21 20:42 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-21 20:20 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-22 11:18 +0300
                Re: Sync two clocks "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-22 12:28 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-22 10:52 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-22 13:49 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-22 14:19 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-22 14:49 +0300
                Re: Sync two clocks Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-22 14:21 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-22 14:23 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-22 14:28 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-22 14:45 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-22 20:30 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-22 09:02 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-22 13:11 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Yonny Bukowski <skyo@yobnwkyy.pl> - 2024-08-22 22:02 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-23 08:37 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Rodobaldo Koustoubos <oob@doko.gr> - 2024-08-23 23:16 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-23 08:32 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-23 15:49 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-23 21:52 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-23 11:51 +0300
                Re: Sync two clocks Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-24 08:50 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-24 11:02 +0300
                Re: Sync two clocks Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-24 12:23 +0000
                Re: Sync two clocks Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-25 08:55 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-08-25 10:35 +0200
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                Re: Sync two clocks Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-26 08:13 +0200
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                Re: Sync two clocks Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-23 07:41 +0200
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                Re: Sync two clocks Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-23 15:59 +0200
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                Re: Sync two clocks Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-23 18:15 +0200
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                Re: Sync two clocks Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-23 19:06 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-24 08:25 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-24 08:46 +0200
                Re: Sync two clocks Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-23 11:55 +0300
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