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Re: Sync two clocks

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Sync two clocks
Date	2024-08-26 08:13 +0200
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Am Sonntag000025, 25.08.2024 um 09:24 schrieb Python:
> Le 24/08/2024 à 08:50, Thomas Heger a écrit :
> ...
>> But the necessary step was missing, that the remote station had to add 
>> the transit time to the received timing value.
>>
>> No such such statement can be found in Einstein's paper, hence we are 
>> forced to beleive, that he didn't wanted to compensate the delay.
> 
> THis is silly. You are not "forced" to believe such a idiotic thing.
> 
> Basic algebra shows that what you call "delay" is embedded in the
> very definition of synchronization. This is something that you
> are not "forced" to "believe", but forced to acknowledge.

Where have you found the delay-corrections 'embedded' in Einstein's paper???


Einstein's method is actually based on the idea to take the perceived 
time from a hypothical clock at a point in the middle between A and B.

This is why Einstein had no time-measure, which is valid throughout an 
entire coordinate system, but regarded time as dependent on the position 
of the clocks.

But 'position' means 'point within that particular coordinate system'. 
So Einstein excluded uniform time within a certain coordinate system.

This is a strong indication, that he didn't plan to compensate delay.

If you think otherwise, than you should quote the statement, which I had 
apparently overlooked.


TH

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