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Am Samstag000001, 01.06.2024 um 15:35 schrieb gharnagel:
> Tom Roberts wrote:
>>
>> On 5/30/24 12:48 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> >
>> > Spacetime is simply what exists, [...]
>>
>> No, NOT AT ALL! You REALLY do not understand very basic physics, at a
>> fundamental level that distorts all your 'thinking' and everything you
>> write.
>>
>> Spacetime is a MODEL of spatial-temporal relationships observed in the
>> real world.
>>
>> Tom Roberts
> 
> I tend to think of physics that way, too, but I was watching this
> episode
> of How the Universe Works called "The Mystery of Space Time" and had a
> few
> issues with it:
> 
> "Space-time is the fabric of our reality"
> 
> "The universe is made of space-time"
> 
> "Whatever the substance is, time and space bound together, that's
> expanding
> and creating the universe we see around us.  It's everything. Space-time
> is what the universe really is."

Well, sounds good!

I had written kind of 'book' about this idea and called it 'structured 
spacetime'.

This can be found here:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing

The idea behind it is quite simpel:

if GR and QM are somehow valid, there must be a way to bring both 
systems into a consistent relation.

My own approach was: start at the GR side and with some sort of real 
existing spacetime.

The observed world is then the local 'subchapter', which is seen from 
where we (or any other observer) are placed.

This world has to have fewer dimensions than spacetime.

Spacetime must also be coordinates free and having no beginning and no end.

Seen from our local perspective this looks different (hence big bang 
theory), but we and our perspective are not particularily important.

...


TH

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Re: SpaceTime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-05-30 07:48 +0200
  Re: SpaceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-05-30 13:30 +0200
    Re: SpaceTime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-05-31 09:17 +0200
  Re: SpaceTime Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2024-05-30 23:25 -0500
    Re: SpaceTime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-05-31 09:16 +0200
    Re: SpaceTime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-01 13:35 +0000
      Re: SpaceTime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-01 09:35 -0700
      Re: SpaceTime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-06-02 08:01 +0200
        Re: SpaceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-02 08:20 +0200
        Re: SpaceTime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-02 12:48 +0000
          Re: SpaceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-02 16:47 +0200
            Re: SpaceTime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-02 16:57 +0000
              Re: SpaceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-02 19:07 +0200
              Re: SpaceTime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-02 10:13 -0700
                Re: SpaceTime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-02 17:48 +0000
                Re: SpaceTime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-02 11:07 -0700
                Re: SpaceTime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-06-03 09:00 +0200
                Re: SpaceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-03 09:57 +0200
                Re: SpaceTime Dmitriy Makricosta <ymt@yyiiciy.gr> - 2024-06-02 20:30 +0000
                Re: SpaceTime Richard Hachel <richard.hachel@invalid.fr> - 2024-06-02 21:34 +0000
                Re: SpaceTime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-02 23:22 +0000
                Re: SpaceTime Richard Hachel <richard.hachel@invalid.fr> - 2024-06-03 00:04 +0000
                Re: SpaceTime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-03 01:36 +0000
                Re: SpaceTime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-02 19:35 -0700
                Re: SpaceTime Richard Hachel <richard.hachel@invalid.fr> - 2024-06-03 00:17 +0000
                Re: SpaceTime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-02 18:14 -0700
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                Re: SpaceTime Hank Bogdán <dnkao@nonkn.hu> - 2024-06-03 19:57 +0000
                Re: SpaceTime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-02 17:31 -0700
                Re: SpaceTime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-02 17:59 -0700
                Re: SpaceTime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-03 02:12 +0000
                Re: SpaceTime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-02 19:35 -0700
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                Re: SpaceTime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-04 17:13 -0700
                Re: SpaceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-03 05:23 +0200
                Re: SpaceTime Richard Hachel <richard.hachel@invalid.fr> - 2024-06-04 14:51 +0000
                Re: SpaceTime Python <python@org.invalid> - 2024-06-04 19:26 +0000
                Re: SpaceTime Richard Hachel <richard.hachel@invalid.fr> - 2024-06-04 23:19 +0000
                Re: SpaceTime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-05 04:11 +0000
                Re: SpaceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-05 07:04 +0200
                Re: SpaceTime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-05 11:55 +0000
                Re: SpaceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-05 14:39 +0200
                Re: SpaceTime Richard Hachel <richard.hachel@invalid.fr> - 2024-06-05 10:46 +0000
                Re: SpaceTime Richard Hachel <richard.hachel@invalid.fr> - 2024-06-05 11:00 +0000
                Re: SpaceTime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-05 12:05 +0000
                Re: SpaceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-05 14:40 +0200
                Re: SpaceTime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-05 20:20 +0000
                Re: SpaceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-06 07:28 +0200
                Re: SpaceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-05 07:02 +0200
                Re: SpaceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-02 20:17 +0200
                Re: SpaceTime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-02 11:54 -0700
                Re: SpaceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-02 21:01 +0200
                Re: SpaceTime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-02 12:09 -0700
          Re: SpaceTime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-02 08:57 -0700
    Re: SpaceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-01 19:48 +0200
      Re: SpaceTime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-01 12:53 -0700
        Re: SpaceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-01 22:37 +0200
          Re: SpaceTime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-01 13:46 -0700
            Re: SpaceTime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-01 17:15 -0700
            Re: SpaceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-02 08:18 +0200
              Re: SpaceTime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-02 08:51 -0700
                Re: SpaceTime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-02 09:22 -0700
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