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Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames

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On 7/25/2023 12:20 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

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> Time dilation involves using a different length for seconds in one frame than another. Relativity flies in the face of basic physics.

Assuming for the sake of argument that's true, what makes
the choice of "basic physics" as opposed to "advanced
physics or relativity " the right one? Take your time,
there's no rush for this answer.

Rhetorical, I don't expect any rational answers. That's what
happens every time you make a claim that you cannot back up.
Onward to ever more ridiculous claims.

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The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 08:05 -0700
  Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 17:27 +0200
    Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 08:44 -0700
      Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 18:30 +0200
        Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 10:39 -0700
          Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 20:38 +0200
            Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 12:06 -0700
              Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 21:25 +0200
              Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-25 09:56 +0200
            Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-01 22:47 +0200
              Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 17:14 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-02 11:51 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 16:49 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 11:14 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 02:54 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 12:06 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 03:18 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 17:24 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-07 11:55 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 11:28 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-07 15:03 -0500
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 15:17 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-07 23:53 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 21:18 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 11:13 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 21:17 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-07 16:57 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 15:25 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-07 23:59 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 06:43 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-09 12:28 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 09:50 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-15 01:03 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-15 06:21 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-16 01:05 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-15 22:09 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 07:54 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 19:04 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 10:15 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 09:52 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 19:01 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-15 01:06 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 23:42 -0700
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                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-15 20:55 -0700
        Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-07-25 01:43 -0700
      Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-24 15:06 -0700
    Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-24 17:21 -0400
      Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-25 08:35 -0700
        Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-26 16:15 -0400
          Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 16:46 -0700
            Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 19:14 -0700
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            Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-27 12:47 -0400
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                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-28 13:49 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-27 20:01 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-27 21:40 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-28 08:58 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-07-28 16:46 +0000
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-28 15:25 -0400
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                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-07-29 22:38 +0000
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-29 16:07 -0700
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                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-30 11:10 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-30 20:23 +0200
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                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 06:49 -0700
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                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 11:03 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 18:30 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 09:07 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 00:55 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 10:16 +0200
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