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Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames

From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames
Date	2023-08-15 16:17 -0700
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The speed of light is not constant in all frames. 

It's slowing down , Sir.

in all frames, universally.


Meaning, it's slowing down everywhere.




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The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
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 the unchallengeable.

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The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 08:05 -0700
  Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 17:27 +0200
    Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 08:44 -0700
      Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 18:30 +0200
        Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 10:39 -0700
          Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 20:38 +0200
            Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 12:06 -0700
              Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 21:25 +0200
              Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-25 09:56 +0200
            Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-01 22:47 +0200
              Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 17:14 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-02 11:51 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 16:49 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 11:14 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 02:54 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 12:06 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 03:18 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 17:24 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-07 11:55 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 11:28 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-07 15:03 -0500
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 15:17 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-07 23:53 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 21:18 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 11:13 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 21:17 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-07 16:57 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 15:25 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-07 23:59 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 06:43 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-09 12:28 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 09:50 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-15 01:03 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-15 06:21 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-16 01:05 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-15 22:09 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 07:54 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 19:04 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 10:15 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 09:52 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 19:01 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-15 01:06 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 23:42 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-15 16:17 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-15 17:28 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-15 20:55 -0700
        Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-07-25 01:43 -0700
      Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-24 15:06 -0700
    Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-24 17:21 -0400
      Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-25 08:35 -0700
        Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-26 16:15 -0400
          Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 16:46 -0700
            Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 19:14 -0700
              Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Rasih Taube <eusr@rruietrt.as> - 2023-07-27 16:51 +0000
            Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-27 12:47 -0400
              Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Virgilio Fabri <iivf@valvoffb.af> - 2023-07-27 17:08 +0000
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Cortez Granat <enrn@oezarnca.rt> - 2023-07-27 23:04 +0000
              Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-27 12:57 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2023-07-27 13:05 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-27 14:25 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-28 13:49 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-27 20:01 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-27 21:40 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-28 08:58 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-07-28 16:46 +0000
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-28 15:25 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-07-28 21:26 +0000
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-29 17:03 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-07-29 22:38 +0000
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-29 16:07 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-07-29 23:31 +0000
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-29 21:46 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-30 09:51 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-07-30 10:04 +0000
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-30 20:59 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-30 22:10 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Emanuele Babloev <vloe@abeebevb.ab> - 2023-07-30 09:19 +0000
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-30 10:39 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-07-30 16:11 +0000
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-30 18:47 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-07-30 16:54 +0000
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-30 16:30 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Beau Yukhotsky <bteu@hthakbes.yy> - 2023-07-30 20:43 +0000
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-07-30 16:24 -0500
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Foster Bass <bstb@trfbsbss.bf> - 2023-07-30 22:09 +0000
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-07-30 17:42 -0500
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-30 11:10 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-30 20:23 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-30 11:44 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-07-30 14:36 -0500
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-07-30 18:54 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-30 22:14 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-31 09:38 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 06:49 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-07-31 18:40 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 10:09 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 10:20 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-07-31 20:17 +0000
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-31 23:21 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 22:07 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-01 07:09 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 22:44 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 23:26 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-01 08:35 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 23:38 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-01 08:40 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 23:43 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-01 08:55 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-01 02:51 -0500
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-01 09:24 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 06:56 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 10:49 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 10:54 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 11:03 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 18:30 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 09:07 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 00:55 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 10:16 +0200
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 01:55 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-07-31 10:05 -0500
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 08:15 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Edurardo Babadzhanov <aoba@oubraboh.da> - 2023-07-30 20:06 +0000
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-07-30 14:25 -0500
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Shaun Michudo <hdud@musnmcai.uu> - 2023-07-30 20:18 +0000
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-07-30 16:29 -0500
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Darbel Doich <bhcb@lbadical.cd> - 2023-07-30 22:15 +0000
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-28 15:17 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-28 13:16 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-28 14:55 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-28 23:59 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-28 23:04 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-29 09:38 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-29 10:05 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-29 14:23 -0400
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-29 13:10 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-29 14:29 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-28 13:46 -0700
                Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 19:12 -0700
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      Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-25 11:31 -0700
      Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-07-27 13:04 -0700
  Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 09:14 -0700
    Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Bunnie Belokhvostikov <kksb@ubsnonkk.hn> - 2023-07-24 17:02 +0000
      Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 19:34 -0700
        Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Alekzandr Billevich <ldni@leedahli.ah> - 2023-07-25 10:56 +0000
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  Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-24 15:05 -0700
  Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-24 15:11 -0700
    Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-07-24 20:50 -0500
      Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 21:26 -0700
      Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-25 09:08 -0700
        Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-25 10:20 -0700
          Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-07-25 14:58 -0500
            Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-25 13:49 -0700
            Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-25 21:35 -0700
          Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-07-25 16:15 -0500
            Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-25 14:31 -0700
              Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-25 15:01 -0700
        Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-25 10:48 -0700
      Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 18:49 -0700
        Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-01 23:08 -0400
          Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 22:00 -0700
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    Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Leeroy Babosoff <lolr@orolooof.bo> - 2023-07-26 10:46 +0000
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      Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-28 15:19 -0400
        Re: The speed of light can't be a universal constant in all frames Parker Nasrutdinov <nkea@roatreru.ue> - 2023-07-28 21:42 +0000

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