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Re: Galaxies don't fly apart because their entire frame is rotating

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Ross Finlayson wrote:
> 
> On 04/05/2024 01:20 AM, Mikko wrote:
> > On 2024-04-05 07:38:56 +0000, Thomas Heger said:
> >
> >> Am 31.03.2024 um 10:49 schrieb Mikko:
> >>
> >>>>> They noticed that the rotational speed of stars in most galaxies
> >>>>> cannot be explained by gravitation if you only take into account
> >>>>> the mass of the visible part of them. There is nothing silly in
> >>>>> trying to sort that out.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I try to explain rotating galaxy vortices by foreground rotation of
> >>>> the frame of reference of the observer.
> >>>>
> >>>> In this case a vortex is actually a structure of significant depth,
> >>>> where stars are stacked in distance, hence also 'stacked in time' (in
> >>>> the image).
> >>>
> >>> Why would you want to explain someting that is never seen?
> >>
> >> Theoretical physics does not require visibility.
> >
> > Study of phantasies is not physics of any kind.
> >
> >> Interesting are phenomenons which exist, whether they are visible or not.
> >
> > They are interesting only if they are observed to exist or there is
> > a good reason to expect that they can be observed.
> >
> >> E.g. a ship on the other side of the planet cannot be seen from here
> >> or the other side of the Moon.
> >
> > Both can be seen.
> >
> >> But both do exist.
> >>
> >> Visibility, usefulness or other categories of this kind, which reflect
> >> a connection to the observer, are irrelevant in physics.
> >
> > Everything in physics has a connection to an observer.
> >
> 
> It's the philosophy of science that falsifiability requires this
> sort of observable physically, yes.
> 
> This then involves the observation, sampling, measurement: "effects",
> particularly with regards to where they do and don't interfere with
> the sampling, or, active and passive sampling, or where the "effects"
> actually involve super-classical effects like quantum effects and
> the notion of the pilot wave, or Bohm - de Broglie and real wave
> collapse above and about the stochastic interpretation.
> 
> So, there's a notion that the senses stop a the sensory, the
> phenomenological, while reason and its attachments actually
> begin in the noumenal, about the noumena and the noumenon.
> Where do they meet? The idea is that humans and other reasoners
> have an object sense, a word sense, a number sense, a time sense,
> and a sense of the continuum, connecting the phenomenological and
> the noumenol, with regards to observables.
> 
> Of course, no-one's ever seen an "atom".

What about Erwin Muller? isn't he der furst tu see an atom??




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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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    Re: Galaxies don't fly apart because their entire frame is rotating Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-03-28 21:38 -0700
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