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Re: Meta: Re: How I deal with the enormous amount of spam

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The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > >
> > > On 02/04/2024 12:53 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 02/04/2024 09:55 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > > >>>> On 02/03/2024 02:46 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> On 01/30/2024 12:54 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 5:02:05 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> Tom Roberts wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity
> > > >>>>>>>>>> has
> > > >>>>>>>>>> been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely
> > > >>>>>>>>>> overwhelming
> > > >>>>>>>>>> legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they
> > > >>>>>>>>>> are
> > > >>>>>>>>>> written in a non-latin script.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Read. So
> > > >>>>>>>>>> I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks
> > > >>>>>>>>>> messages
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
> > > >>>>>>>>>> messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so
> > > >>>>>>>>>> it marks
> > > >>>>>>>>>> messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters
> > > >>>>>>>>>> picked
> > > >>>>>>>>>> from some spam messages.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
> > > >>>>>>>>>> messages per day.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Tom Roberts
> > > >>>>>>>>> I would like to do the same thing, so I installed Thunderbird...
> > > >>>>>>>>> but setting it up to read newsgroups is beyond my paltry computer
> > > >>>>>>>>> skills and is not at all intuitive. If anyone can point to an
> > > >>>>>>>>> idiot-proof tutorial for doing this It would be much appreciated.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> \Paul Alsing
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Yeah, it's pretty bad, or, worse anybody's ever seen it.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> I as well sort of mow the lawn a bit or mark the spam.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> It seems alright if it'll be a sort of clean break:  on Feb 22
> > > >>>>>>>> according to Google,
> > > >>>>>>>> Google will break its compeerage to Usenet, and furthermore make
> > > >>>>>>>> read-only
> > > >>>>>>>> the archives, what it has, what until then, will be as it was.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Over on sci.math I've had the idea for a while of making some brief
> > > >>>>>>>> and
> > > >>>>>>>> special purpose Usenet compeers, for only some few groups, or, you
> > > >>>>>>>> know, the _belles lettres_ of the text hierarchy.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> "Meta:  a usenet server just for sci.math"
> > > >>>>>>>>      -- https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> So, there you can read the outlook of this kind of thing, then
> > > >>>>>>>> while sort
> > > >>>>>>>> of simple as the protocol is simple and its implementations
> > > >>>>>>>> widespread,
> > > >>>>>>>> how to deal with the "signal and noise" of "exposed messaging
> > > >>>>>>>> destinations
> > > >>>>>>>> on the Internet", well on that thread I'm theorizing a sort of,
> > > >>>>>>>> "NOOBNB protocol",
> > > >>>>>>>> figuring to make an otherwise just standard Usenet compeer, and
> > > >>>>>>>> also for
> > > >>>>>>>> email or messaging destinations, sort of designed with the
> > > >>>>>>>> expectation that
> > > >>>>>>>> there will be spam, and spam and ham are hand in hand, to exclude
> > > >>>>>>>> it in simple terms.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> NOOBNB:  New Old Off Bot Non Bad, Curated/Purgatory/Raw triple-feed
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> (That and a firmer sort of "Load Shed" or "Load Hold" at the
> > > >>>>>>>> transport layer.)
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Also it would be real great if at least there was surfaced to the
> > > >>>>>>>> Internet a
> > > >>>>>>>> read-only view of any message by its message ID, a "URL", or as for
> > > >>>>>>>> a "URI",
> > > >>>>>>>> a "URN", a reliable perma-link in the IETF "news" protocol, namespace.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> I wonder that there's a reliable sort of long-term project that
> > > >>>>>>>> surfaces
> > > >>>>>>>> "news" protocol message-IDs, ....  It's a stable, standards-based
> > > >>>>>>>> protocol.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Thunderbird, "SLRN", ....  Thanks for caring.  We care.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/ToBo6XOymUw
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> One fellow reached me via e-mail and he said, hey, the Googler spam is
> > > >>>>>>> outrageous, can we do anything about it?  Would you write a script to
> > > >>>>>>> funnel all their message-ID's into the abuse reporting?  And I was
> > > >>>>>>> like,
> > > >>>>>>> you know, about 2008 I did just that, there was a big spam flood,
> > > >>>>>>> and I wrote a little script to find them and extract their
> > > >>>>>>> posting-account,
> > > >>>>>>> and the message-ID, and a little script to post to the posting-host,
> > > >>>>>>> each one of the wicked spams.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> At the time that seemed to help, they sort of dried up, here there's
> > > >>>>>>> that basically they're not following the charter, but, it's the
> > > >>>>>>> posting-account
> > > >>>>>>> in the message headers that indicate the origin of the post, not the
> > > >>>>>>> email address.  So, I wonder, given that I can extract the
> > > >>>>>>> posting-accounts
> > > >>>>>>> of all the spams, how to match the posting-account to then determine
> > > >>>>>>> whether it's a sockpuppet-farm or what, and basically about sending
> > > >>>>>>> them up.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Let me see your little script. Post it here.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Here is a list I currently have:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> salz.txt
> > > >>>>> usenet.death.penalty.gz
> > > >>>>> purify.txt
> > > >>>>> NewsAgent110-MS.exe
> > > >>>>> HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1_11).htm
> > > >>>>> NewsAgent111-BE.zip
> > > >>>>> SuperCede.exe
> > > >>>>> NewsAgent023.exe
> > > >>>>> NewsAgent025.exe
> > > >>>>> ActiveAgent.java
> > > >>>>> HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1_02)_files
> > > >>>>> NewsCancel.java (source code)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> (plus updated python versions)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> (Maybe your script is inthere somewhere?)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Show me what you got. walk the walk.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I try to avoid sketchy things like hiring a criminal botnet,
> > > >>>> there's the impression that that's looking at 1000's of counts
> > > >>>> of computer intrusion.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> With those being something about $50K and 10-25 apiece,
> > > >>>> there's a pretty significant deterrence to such activities.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I've never much cared for "OAuth", giving away the
> > > >>>> keys-to-the-kingdom and all, here it looks like either
> > > >>>> a) a bunch of duped browsers clicked away their identities,
> > > >>>> or b) it's really that Google and Facebook are more than
> > > >>>> half full of fake identities for the sole purpose of being fake.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> (How's your new deal going?
> > > >>>>     Great, we got a million users.
> > > >>>> Why are my conversions around zero?
> > > >>>>     Your ad must not speak to them.
> > > >>>> Would it help if I spiced it up?
> > > >>>>     Don't backtalk me, I'll put you on a list!)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> So, it seems mostly a sort of "spam-walling the Internet",
> > > >>>> where it was like "we're going to reinvent the Internet",
> > > >>>> "no, you aren't", "all right then we'll ruin this one".
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> As far as search goes, there's something to be said
> > > >>>> for a new sort of approach to search, given that
> > > >>>> Google, Bing, Duck, ..., _all make the same results_.  It's
> > > >>>> just so highly unlikely that they'd _all make the same
> > > >>>> results_, you figure they're just one.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> So, the idea, for somebody like me who's mostly interested
> > > >>>> in writing on the Internet, is that lots of that is of the sort
> > > >>>> of "works" vis-a-vis, the "feuilleton" or what you might
> > > >>>> call it, ephemeral junk, that I just learned about in
> > > >>>> Herman Hesse's "The Glass Bead Game".
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Then, there's an idea, that basically to surface high-quality
> > > >>>> works to a search, is that there's what's called metadata,
> > > >>>> for content like HTML, with regards to Dublin Core and
> > > >>>> RDF and so on, about a sort of making for fungible collections
> > > >>>> of works, what results searchable fragments of various
> > > >>>> larger bodies of works, according to their robots.txt and
> > > >>>> their summaries and with regards to crawling the content
> > > >>>> and so on, then to make federated common search corpi,
> > > >>>> these kinds of things.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> It's like "why are they building that new data center",
> > > >>> and it's like "well it's like Artificial Intelligence, inside
> > > >>> that data center is a million virts and each one has a
> > > >>> browser emulator and a phone app sandbox and a
> > > >>> little notecard that prompts its name, basically it's
> > > >>> a million-headed hydra called a sims-bot-farm,
> > > >>> that for pennies on the dollar is an instant audience."
> > > >>>
> > > >>> "Wow, great, do they get a cut?"  "Don't be talking about my cut."
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Usenet traffic had been up recently, ....
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I think they used to call it "astro-turfing".
> > > >>> "Artificial Intelligence?"  "No, 'Fake eyeballs'."
> > > >>
> > > >> I have NewsAgent111-MS.exe
> > > >>
> > > >> I seem to be missing version 2.0
> > > >>
> > > >> Do you have the 2.0 version?
> > > >>
> > > >> I'll trade you.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'll give you my python version with (GUI)!!!! (Tinter)
> > > >>
> > > >> let's trade!
> > > >>
> > > >> don't bogart
> > > >
> > > > I seem to be missing this version:
> > > >
> > > > https://web.archive.org/web/20051023050609/http://newsagent.p5.org.uk/
> > > >
> > > > Do you have it? you must have!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Nope, I just wrote a little script to connect to NNTP
> > > with a Yes/No button on the subject, tapped through
> > > those, and a little script to send an HTTP request to
> > > the publicly-facing return-to-sender in-box, for each.
> > >
> > > Here's all the sources you need:  IETF RFC editor.
> > > Look for "NNTP".  How to advise Google of this is
> > > that each domain on the Internet is supposed to
> > > have an "abuse@domain" email inbox, though there's
> > > probably also a web request interface, as with regards
> > > to publicly facing services, and expected to be
> > > good actors on the network.
> > >
> > > Anyways if you read through "Meta: a usenet server
> > > just for sci.math", what I have in mind is a sort
> > > of author's and writer's oriented installation,
> > > basically making for vanity printouts and generating
> > > hypertext collections of contents and authors and
> > > subjects and these kinds of things, basically for
> > > on the order of "find all the postings of Archimedes
> > > Plutonium, and, the threads they are in, and,
> > > make a hypertext page of all that, a linear timeline,
> > > and also thread it out as a linear sequence".
> > >
> > > I.e. people who actually post to Usenet are sometimes
> > > having written interesting things, and, thus having
> > > it so that it would be simplified to generate message-ID
> > > listings and their corresponding standard URL's in the
> > > standard IETF "news" URL protocol, and to point that
> > > at a given news server or like XLink, is for treating
> > > Usenet its archives like a living museum of all these
> > > different authors posts and their interactions together.
> > >
> > > I.e., here it's "belles lettres" and "fair use",
> > > not just "belles" and "use".
> > >
> > > It seemed nice of Google Groups to front this for a long time,
> > > now they're quitting.
> > >
> > > I imagine Internet Relay Chat's still insane, though.
> > >
> > > Anyways I stay away from any warez and am proud that
> > > since about Y2K at least I've never bootlegged anything,
> > > and never uploaded a bootleg.  Don't want to give old Shylock
> > > excuses, and besides, I wrote software for a living.
> >
> > Anyways, I don't know who was talking about "any warez" or "bootlegs",
> > since I was refering to programs and scripts that reads:
> >
> > "FREE, which means you can copy it and redistribute"
> > "Similarly, the source is provided as reference and can be redistributed
> > freely as well. "
> >
> > HipCrime's NewsAgent (v2.0) is FREE, which means you can copy it and
> > redistribute it at will, as long as you give credit to the original
> > author. Similarly, the source is provided as reference and can be
> > redistributed freely as well.
> >
> > https://web.archive.org/web/20051023050609/http://newsagent.p5.org.uk/
> >
> > You seem to be too much 'in your head', on a high horse...
> >
> > "FREE, which means you can copy it and redistribute"
> > "Similarly, the source is provided as reference and can be redistributed
> > freely as well. "
> >
> > So, show me that wicked script you wrote : "funnel all their
> > message-ID's"
> > by people you call spammers who 'funnel' their products and services
> > through Usenet newsgroups.
> >
> > You are sooooo wicked.
> >
> > and a nanofossils
> 
> Anyways, there is only one person that know what 'nanofossils' means,
> and that is  Ross Finlayson.
> 
> I just realized that  Ross Finlayson doesn't know of NEWSAGENT.
> 
> Anyways, ...
> 
> "Anyways"???? Who talks like that?
> 
> Anyways..
> 
> the problem of the 'flooding' is not the spammers, it's the 'scientific
> community'. They caused the problem.
> They removed the feature that NewsAgent used to get rid of ALL flooding
> and spammers. But, but, the
> members of the scientific community could not trust their own members to
> use it against them.
> 
> If one member of the 'scientific community' disagreed with another
> member of the 'scientific community'...they were removed!
> 
> Too much power.
> 
> I called it...God Mode.

Using NewsAgent in God Mode was great! Ecept...if you didn't know how to use it 
properly you can make a mistake and remove *EVERYONE'S* posts by accident.

Everyone just completely disapeared!


Oops. i made a booboo.


Like that Twilight Zone episode where everyone disapears by a click of a watch.



Where is everybody? MAJOR KILLFILE!

So, which is worse?



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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