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Re: Meta: Re: How I deal with the enormous amount of spam

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The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Ross Finlayson wrote:
> >
> > On 02/04/2024 09:55 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > > On 02/03/2024 02:46 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 01/30/2024 12:54 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > >>>>> On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 5:02:05 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
> > >>>>>> Tom Roberts wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity
> > >>>>>>> has
> > >>>>>>> been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely
> > >>>>>>> overwhelming
> > >>>>>>> legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they
> > >>>>>>> are
> > >>>>>>> written in a non-latin script.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message
> > >>>>>>> Read. So
> > >>>>>>> I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks
> > >>>>>>> messages
> > >>>>>>> Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
> > >>>>>>> messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so
> > >>>>>>> it marks
> > >>>>>>> messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters
> > >>>>>>> picked
> > >>>>>>> from some spam messages.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
> > >>>>>>> messages per day.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Tom Roberts
> > >>>>>> I would like to do the same thing, so I installed Thunderbird...
> > >>>>>> but setting it up to read newsgroups is beyond my paltry computer
> > >>>>>> skills and is not at all intuitive. If anyone can point to an
> > >>>>>> idiot-proof tutorial for doing this It would be much appreciated.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> \Paul Alsing
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Yeah, it's pretty bad, or, worse anybody's ever seen it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I as well sort of mow the lawn a bit or mark the spam.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It seems alright if it'll be a sort of clean break:  on Feb 22
> > >>>>> according to Google,
> > >>>>> Google will break its compeerage to Usenet, and furthermore make
> > >>>>> read-only
> > >>>>> the archives, what it has, what until then, will be as it was.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Over on sci.math I've had the idea for a while of making some brief
> > >>>>> and
> > >>>>> special purpose Usenet compeers, for only some few groups, or, you
> > >>>>> know, the _belles lettres_ of the text hierarchy.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> "Meta:  a usenet server just for sci.math"
> > >>>>>     -- https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> So, there you can read the outlook of this kind of thing, then
> > >>>>> while sort
> > >>>>> of simple as the protocol is simple and its implementations
> > >>>>> widespread,
> > >>>>> how to deal with the "signal and noise" of "exposed messaging
> > >>>>> destinations
> > >>>>> on the Internet", well on that thread I'm theorizing a sort of,
> > >>>>> "NOOBNB protocol",
> > >>>>> figuring to make an otherwise just standard Usenet compeer, and
> > >>>>> also for
> > >>>>> email or messaging destinations, sort of designed with the
> > >>>>> expectation that
> > >>>>> there will be spam, and spam and ham are hand in hand, to exclude
> > >>>>> it in simple terms.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> NOOBNB:  New Old Off Bot Non Bad, Curated/Purgatory/Raw triple-feed
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> (That and a firmer sort of "Load Shed" or "Load Hold" at the
> > >>>>> transport layer.)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Also it would be real great if at least there was surfaced to the
> > >>>>> Internet a
> > >>>>> read-only view of any message by its message ID, a "URL", or as for
> > >>>>> a "URI",
> > >>>>> a "URN", a reliable perma-link in the IETF "news" protocol, namespace.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I wonder that there's a reliable sort of long-term project that
> > >>>>> surfaces
> > >>>>> "news" protocol message-IDs, ....  It's a stable, standards-based
> > >>>>> protocol.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thunderbird, "SLRN", ....  Thanks for caring.  We care.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/ToBo6XOymUw
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> One fellow reached me via e-mail and he said, hey, the Googler spam is
> > >>>> outrageous, can we do anything about it?  Would you write a script to
> > >>>> funnel all their message-ID's into the abuse reporting?  And I was
> > >>>> like,
> > >>>> you know, about 2008 I did just that, there was a big spam flood,
> > >>>> and I wrote a little script to find them and extract their
> > >>>> posting-account,
> > >>>> and the message-ID, and a little script to post to the posting-host,
> > >>>> each one of the wicked spams.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> At the time that seemed to help, they sort of dried up, here there's
> > >>>> that basically they're not following the charter, but, it's the
> > >>>> posting-account
> > >>>> in the message headers that indicate the origin of the post, not the
> > >>>> email address.  So, I wonder, given that I can extract the
> > >>>> posting-accounts
> > >>>> of all the spams, how to match the posting-account to then determine
> > >>>> whether it's a sockpuppet-farm or what, and basically about sending
> > >>>> them up.
> > >>>
> > >>> Let me see your little script. Post it here.
> > >>
> > >> Here is a list I currently have:
> > >>
> > >> salz.txt
> > >> usenet.death.penalty.gz
> > >> purify.txt
> > >> NewsAgent110-MS.exe
> > >> HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1_11).htm
> > >> NewsAgent111-BE.zip
> > >> SuperCede.exe
> > >> NewsAgent023.exe
> > >> NewsAgent025.exe
> > >> ActiveAgent.java
> > >> HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1_02)_files
> > >> NewsCancel.java (source code)
> > >>
> > >> (plus updated python versions)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> (Maybe your script is inthere somewhere?)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Show me what you got. walk the walk.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > I try to avoid sketchy things like hiring a criminal botnet,
> > > there's the impression that that's looking at 1000's of counts
> > > of computer intrusion.
> > >
> > > With those being something about $50K and 10-25 apiece,
> > > there's a pretty significant deterrence to such activities.
> > >
> > > I've never much cared for "OAuth", giving away the
> > > keys-to-the-kingdom and all, here it looks like either
> > > a) a bunch of duped browsers clicked away their identities,
> > > or b) it's really that Google and Facebook are more than
> > > half full of fake identities for the sole purpose of being fake.
> > >
> > > (How's your new deal going?
> > >    Great, we got a million users.
> > > Why are my conversions around zero?
> > >    Your ad must not speak to them.
> > > Would it help if I spiced it up?
> > >    Don't backtalk me, I'll put you on a list!)
> > >
> > > So, it seems mostly a sort of "spam-walling the Internet",
> > > where it was like "we're going to reinvent the Internet",
> > > "no, you aren't", "all right then we'll ruin this one".
> > >
> > > As far as search goes, there's something to be said
> > > for a new sort of approach to search, given that
> > > Google, Bing, Duck, ..., _all make the same results_.  It's
> > > just so highly unlikely that they'd _all make the same
> > > results_, you figure they're just one.
> > >
> > > So, the idea, for somebody like me who's mostly interested
> > > in writing on the Internet, is that lots of that is of the sort
> > > of "works" vis-a-vis, the "feuilleton" or what you might
> > > call it, ephemeral junk, that I just learned about in
> > > Herman Hesse's "The Glass Bead Game".
> > >
> > > Then, there's an idea, that basically to surface high-quality
> > > works to a search, is that there's what's called metadata,
> > > for content like HTML, with regards to Dublin Core and
> > > RDF and so on, about a sort of making for fungible collections
> > > of works, what results searchable fragments of various
> > > larger bodies of works, according to their robots.txt and
> > > their summaries and with regards to crawling the content
> > > and so on, then to make federated common search corpi,
> > > these kinds of things.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > It's like "why are they building that new data center",
> > and it's like "well it's like Artificial Intelligence, inside
> > that data center is a million virts and each one has a
> > browser emulator and a phone app sandbox and a
> > little notecard that prompts its name, basically it's
> > a million-headed hydra called a sims-bot-farm,
> > that for pennies on the dollar is an instant audience."
> >
> > "Wow, great, do they get a cut?"  "Don't be talking about my cut."
> >
> > Usenet traffic had been up recently, ....
> >
> > I think they used to call it "astro-turfing".
> > "Artificial Intelligence?"  "No, 'Fake eyeballs'."
> 
> I have NewsAgent111-MS.exe
> 
> I seem to be missing version 2.0
> 
> Do you have the 2.0 version?
> 
> I'll trade you.
> 
> I'll give you my python version with (GUI)!!!! (Tinter)
> 
> let's trade!
> 
> don't bogart

I seem to be missing this version:

https://web.archive.org/web/20051023050609/http://newsagent.p5.org.uk/

Do you have it? you must have! 





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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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