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Re: Meta: Re: How I deal with the enormous amount of spam

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Ross Finlayson wrote:
> 
> On 02/04/2024 09:55 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > On 02/03/2024 02:46 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ross Finlayson wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 01/30/2024 12:54 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 5:02:05 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
> >>>>>> Tom Roberts wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity
> >>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>> been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely
> >>>>>>> overwhelming
> >>>>>>> legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they
> >>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>> written in a non-latin script.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message
> >>>>>>> Read. So
> >>>>>>> I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks
> >>>>>>> messages
> >>>>>>> Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
> >>>>>>> messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so
> >>>>>>> it marks
> >>>>>>> messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters
> >>>>>>> picked
> >>>>>>> from some spam messages.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
> >>>>>>> messages per day.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Tom Roberts
> >>>>>> I would like to do the same thing, so I installed Thunderbird...
> >>>>>> but setting it up to read newsgroups is beyond my paltry computer
> >>>>>> skills and is not at all intuitive. If anyone can point to an
> >>>>>> idiot-proof tutorial for doing this It would be much appreciated.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> \Paul Alsing
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yeah, it's pretty bad, or, worse anybody's ever seen it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I as well sort of mow the lawn a bit or mark the spam.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It seems alright if it'll be a sort of clean break:  on Feb 22
> >>>>> according to Google,
> >>>>> Google will break its compeerage to Usenet, and furthermore make
> >>>>> read-only
> >>>>> the archives, what it has, what until then, will be as it was.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Over on sci.math I've had the idea for a while of making some brief
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> special purpose Usenet compeers, for only some few groups, or, you
> >>>>> know, the _belles lettres_ of the text hierarchy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Meta:  a usenet server just for sci.math"
> >>>>>     -- https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, there you can read the outlook of this kind of thing, then
> >>>>> while sort
> >>>>> of simple as the protocol is simple and its implementations
> >>>>> widespread,
> >>>>> how to deal with the "signal and noise" of "exposed messaging
> >>>>> destinations
> >>>>> on the Internet", well on that thread I'm theorizing a sort of,
> >>>>> "NOOBNB protocol",
> >>>>> figuring to make an otherwise just standard Usenet compeer, and
> >>>>> also for
> >>>>> email or messaging destinations, sort of designed with the
> >>>>> expectation that
> >>>>> there will be spam, and spam and ham are hand in hand, to exclude
> >>>>> it in simple terms.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> NOOBNB:  New Old Off Bot Non Bad, Curated/Purgatory/Raw triple-feed
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (That and a firmer sort of "Load Shed" or "Load Hold" at the
> >>>>> transport layer.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also it would be real great if at least there was surfaced to the
> >>>>> Internet a
> >>>>> read-only view of any message by its message ID, a "URL", or as for
> >>>>> a "URI",
> >>>>> a "URN", a reliable perma-link in the IETF "news" protocol, namespace.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wonder that there's a reliable sort of long-term project that
> >>>>> surfaces
> >>>>> "news" protocol message-IDs, ....  It's a stable, standards-based
> >>>>> protocol.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thunderbird, "SLRN", ....  Thanks for caring.  We care.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/ToBo6XOymUw
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> One fellow reached me via e-mail and he said, hey, the Googler spam is
> >>>> outrageous, can we do anything about it?  Would you write a script to
> >>>> funnel all their message-ID's into the abuse reporting?  And I was
> >>>> like,
> >>>> you know, about 2008 I did just that, there was a big spam flood,
> >>>> and I wrote a little script to find them and extract their
> >>>> posting-account,
> >>>> and the message-ID, and a little script to post to the posting-host,
> >>>> each one of the wicked spams.
> >>>>
> >>>> At the time that seemed to help, they sort of dried up, here there's
> >>>> that basically they're not following the charter, but, it's the
> >>>> posting-account
> >>>> in the message headers that indicate the origin of the post, not the
> >>>> email address.  So, I wonder, given that I can extract the
> >>>> posting-accounts
> >>>> of all the spams, how to match the posting-account to then determine
> >>>> whether it's a sockpuppet-farm or what, and basically about sending
> >>>> them up.
> >>>
> >>> Let me see your little script. Post it here.
> >>
> >> Here is a list I currently have:
> >>
> >> salz.txt
> >> usenet.death.penalty.gz
> >> purify.txt
> >> NewsAgent110-MS.exe
> >> HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1_11).htm
> >> NewsAgent111-BE.zip
> >> SuperCede.exe
> >> NewsAgent023.exe
> >> NewsAgent025.exe
> >> ActiveAgent.java
> >> HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1_02)_files
> >> NewsCancel.java (source code)
> >>
> >> (plus updated python versions)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> (Maybe your script is inthere somewhere?)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Show me what you got. walk the walk.
> >>
> >
> >
> > I try to avoid sketchy things like hiring a criminal botnet,
> > there's the impression that that's looking at 1000's of counts
> > of computer intrusion.
> >
> > With those being something about $50K and 10-25 apiece,
> > there's a pretty significant deterrence to such activities.
> >
> > I've never much cared for "OAuth", giving away the
> > keys-to-the-kingdom and all, here it looks like either
> > a) a bunch of duped browsers clicked away their identities,
> > or b) it's really that Google and Facebook are more than
> > half full of fake identities for the sole purpose of being fake.
> >
> > (How's your new deal going?
> >    Great, we got a million users.
> > Why are my conversions around zero?
> >    Your ad must not speak to them.
> > Would it help if I spiced it up?
> >    Don't backtalk me, I'll put you on a list!)
> >
> > So, it seems mostly a sort of "spam-walling the Internet",
> > where it was like "we're going to reinvent the Internet",
> > "no, you aren't", "all right then we'll ruin this one".
> >
> > As far as search goes, there's something to be said
> > for a new sort of approach to search, given that
> > Google, Bing, Duck, ..., _all make the same results_.  It's
> > just so highly unlikely that they'd _all make the same
> > results_, you figure they're just one.
> >
> > So, the idea, for somebody like me who's mostly interested
> > in writing on the Internet, is that lots of that is of the sort
> > of "works" vis-a-vis, the "feuilleton" or what you might
> > call it, ephemeral junk, that I just learned about in
> > Herman Hesse's "The Glass Bead Game".
> >
> > Then, there's an idea, that basically to surface high-quality
> > works to a search, is that there's what's called metadata,
> > for content like HTML, with regards to Dublin Core and
> > RDF and so on, about a sort of making for fungible collections
> > of works, what results searchable fragments of various
> > larger bodies of works, according to their robots.txt and
> > their summaries and with regards to crawling the content
> > and so on, then to make federated common search corpi,
> > these kinds of things.
> >
> >
> >
> 
> It's like "why are they building that new data center",
> and it's like "well it's like Artificial Intelligence, inside
> that data center is a million virts and each one has a
> browser emulator and a phone app sandbox and a
> little notecard that prompts its name, basically it's
> a million-headed hydra called a sims-bot-farm,
> that for pennies on the dollar is an instant audience."
> 
> "Wow, great, do they get a cut?"  "Don't be talking about my cut."
> 
> Usenet traffic had been up recently, ....
> 
> I think they used to call it "astro-turfing".
> "Artificial Intelligence?"  "No, 'Fake eyeballs'."


I have NewsAgent111-MS.exe

I seem to be missing version 2.0

Do you have the 2.0 version?

I'll trade you.

I'll give you my python version with (GUI)!!!! (Tinter)


let's trade!


don't bogart



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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Re: How I deal with the enormous amount of spam Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 09:55 -0800
  Meta: Re: How I deal with the enormous amount of spam Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 10:17 -0800
    Re: Meta: Re: How I deal with the enormous amount of spam The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-02-04 12:35 -0800
      Re: Meta: Re: How I deal with the enormous amount of spam The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-02-04 12:53 -0800
        Re: Meta: Re: How I deal with the enormous amount of spam Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 18:28 -0800
          Re: Meta: Re: How I deal with the enormous amount of spam The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-02-04 22:02 -0800

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