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Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it.

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Richard Hertz wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:59:29 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > >
> > > Newton didn't know of atoms and subatomic particles. Neither Maxwell,
> > > Gauss, Euler, Laplace, Le Verrier, Gerber and so many other scientists that
> > > developed theories using such concept.
> > >
> > > Lorentz had a clear vision of what mass of electrons were: in his 1904 paper,
> > > he asserted that mass was something of electromagnetic nature, at least for
> > > the electron. He also wrote: "I shall suppose that there is no other, no "true"
> > > or "material" mass."
> > >
> > > For Lorentz, electrons in state of rest had a mass m = e²/(6πc²R), [e value in electrostatic units or esu].
> > >
> > > 1 e = 4,774E-10 esu = 4,774E-10 √(g.cm³)/s, SO m has gram units.
> > >
> > > He surely knew that the potential energy outside a spherically symmetric
> > > charge distribution with total charge e sand radius R is given by:
> > >
> > > E = e²/(4πε₀R), with 4π included for reasons of spherical geometry, as the
> > > 6Ï€ in the electron mass.
> > >
> > > He missed connecting mass and energy, or he would have got
> > >
> > > m/E ∝ 1/c²
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_permittivity
> > >
> > > Einstein thought of mass in terms of INERTIA, as Galileo and Newton. That
> > > would be the "resistance" of matter to be put in motion or to be stopped
> > > from a uniform motion ("m.v" or "vis viva").
> > >
> > > Today, mass, in physics, is a quantitative measure of inertia, a fundamental property of all matter. It is, in effect, the resistance that a body of matter offers to a change in its speed or position upon the application of a force.
> > > That's highly esoteric: "fundamental property of all matter".
> > >
> > > In chemistry, mass is a measure of the amount of matter in a substance or an object.
> > >
> > > But, in reality, nobody knows. The same with electricity, magnetism, protons,
> > > muons, nuclear energy, cosmic rays and how is that a bicycle work.
> > >
> > > Maybe relativists can chip in with some insights.
> > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
> >
> >
> >
> > If you understand the 'order of events'...
> >
> > first comes 'heavens' then 'the earth'...the earth is Mass.
> >
> > The big bang was the creation of...mass.
> >
> > Before the big bang Mass didn't exist.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > and challenge
> > the unchallengeable.
> 
> What came first? The chicken or the egg?  Matter or energy?
> 
> But if it's energy then, by E=mc^2, ALCHEMIA-TRANSMUTATION took place. Like the snacks in Star Trek OS stations.



Do you even undertstand Why you ask the question: What is mass? 






-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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