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Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it.

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The ‘nym-shifting, gibbering troll demonstrated their utter ignorance of 
English grammatics, and physics, by blabbering the following nonsense as 
"Dario De filippis":

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> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> The ‘nym-shifting troll trolled as "Dario De filippis":
>>> tensors are NOT contained by special relativity, idiot.
>> 
>> Proper English would b̶e̶ “are not contained _in_
>> special relativity” (but i̶t̶ would still be
>> factually false).
> 
> it's *by* as in "special relativity described *by* tensors" 

“contained in”, “contained by”, and “described by” are all correct as such, 
but they mean different things and so are only proper English when used in 
the proper context.

The first one means that something acts as a container for something such 
that it is not distributed in the environment.  For example, a gas can be 
contained by a closed box (to prevent it from getting out).  It can also 
mean to prevent something from proceeding.

It does not make any sense to say that special relativity acts (or
does not act) as a container for tensors.  A theory is not a physical (in 
the sense of ”tangible”) object; neither are tensors.

“described by”: If A describes B, then B is described by A.  That is a 
completely different thing than “contained in” or “contained by”.

“contained in” says that something is part of the content of something else.  
For example, the gas above is also contained *in* the box, but with ”by” the 
emphasis of the statement is on the vessel rather than the content.  For 
example, it maybe contained by cardboard, not by a glass sheets.

Tensors are part of the content of special relativity; they are contained 
_in_ special relativity:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-vector>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-vector#Lorentz_transformation>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-vector#Minkowski_tensor>

> [insults]

Get well soon!


PointedEars
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