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Re: I define Time as what my clock shows, but this is my personal time.

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Date 2022-03-28 23:46 -0700
From The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: I define Time as what my clock shows, but this is my personal time.
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Richard Hertz wrote:
> 
> On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 1:57:01 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 11:48:27 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 10:16:27 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>> A pet can teach humans what time and time flow is MUCH MORE than any
> > >>>>> human to another. Because they use NATURE, which is embedded into their ADN.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> This, in the spirit of, “Hey, if science doesn’t reflect what you know
> > >>>> instinctively without any thinking at all, then it’s wrong.”
> > >>>> Way to go for the lowest common denominator, Richard, right where you’re
> > >>>> most comfortable.
> > >>>
> > >>> Bodkin, you have to retrieve your Relativistic ID N° 1378462, printed
> > >>> long time ago. ID N" went to Einstein.
> > >>>
> > >>> As usual, you like to have a wording on anything, IKEA man, with your
> > >>> usual toolkit of sophistry, fallacies and twisting meanings.
> > >>>
> > >>> If you want to adhere to einstenian concept of what time is, buy a wrist
> > >>> or a pocket watch to fit better with that epoch.
> > >>>
> > >>> The problem is that your clock, actually any clock, will show TIME DURATION and not TIME.
> > >> Well, if you think about it, any time coordinate is a duration from a
> > >> selected origin. Really the key of a coordinate reference frame is the
> > >> synchronization of watches distributed in the coordinate system. Any set of
> > >> unsychronized watches will be able to measure a duration for any pair of
> > >> events that occur at the same location. However, to measure either the time
> > >> coordinates of events at different locations, or if you like, the duration
> > >> between the events at different locations, the synchronization is required.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Think on it a bit more. As usual, your words reflect more bluster than
> > >> thought.
> > >>>
> > >>> Since relativity is HEAVILY based on the definition of time as described
> > >>> on my OP here, you'll have to admit that the entire relativity
> > >>> theory is A FAIL, because it's based on time duration and yet it's used AS TIME.
> > >>>
> > >>> So go out and get a gifted mathematician to REWRITE the entire theory
> > >>> based on time duration, not time. And this is because such
> > >>> stupid theory (written by an idiot to an audience of more idiotic people)
> > >>> warped the meanings of time (ABSOLUTE) with time duration
> > >>> (RELATIVE).
> > >>>
> > >>> And I don't consider relativity being a science. Not even close. My best
> > >>> calification is to place it in the metaphysics realm, where every
> > >>> possible assertion can be hold, because everything is NON PHYSICAL in such dominion.
> > >>>
> > >>> For the entire building of physics knowledge, void of any trace of
> > >>> relativity, MY DEEPEST RESPECT.
> > >>>
> > >>> But, as I wrote to Dork, if you (Bodkin) have your mind erased with
> > >>> respect ANY TRACE of relativity, your understanding of science
> > >>> collapse entirely and leave you just hollow of scientific knowledge.
> > >>>
> > >>> You invested your adult life adopting and defending relativity, for any
> > >>> given reason: a cult follower or something similar, without THINKING.
> > >>>
> > >>> Pay the price of a life WASTED for nothing, with no visible contribution
> > >>> to society (on the contrary).
> > >>>
> > >>> Stick with woodworking, which poses real physical (and scientific) values.
> > >>>
> > >>> And keep trying to define what time is, in the realm of philosophy, NOT PHYSICS.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> --
> > >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> > >
> > > See Bodkin? That's why I call relativity a pile of crap.
> > > Your borrowed knowledge prevented you to think deep all of these years.
> > >
> > > You keep talking about TIME, and I'm talking along this thread about TIME DURATION!
> > I actually mentioned both. Try to keep up.
> > >
> > > You feel that you need to synchronize TIME in your einstenian, deceiving
> > > clock, which is plain stupid.
> > Well, that little bit of spluttering propaganda doesn’t accomplish much,
> > does it?
> > >
> > > I wrote that TIME DURATION is universal, absolute and independent of any
> > > reference except your local surrounding.
> > Yes, I acknowledge that you wrote a stupid thing.
> > >
> > > Go back to your desktop and re-write relativity (SR) using TIME DURATION, not TIME.
> > > HINT: You don't have to synchronize anything, except that your TIME
> > > MEDIATION DEVICES mark time differences in the same way.
> > >
> > > You and I are in different galaxies of thought.
> > That’s for sure.
> > >
> > > You are in a galaxy wannabe, a nebula, and still don't understand what
> > > future is waiting for you.
> > >
> > > I'm in a mature galaxy of thought, where I was able to verify that I'm in
> > > the right path of thought since I have memory.
> > More little bits of spluttering propaganda, I see.
> > >
> > > Keep your sand paper and paint at hand, so you can make a living. You
> > > suck even as a METAphilosopher, even when it's only one
> > > of your double majors as a BsC.
> > >
> > > You DESERVE to be a relativist.
> > >
> > >
> > --
> > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> I repeat, donkey:
> 
> Using TIME DURATION instead of TIME makes unnecessary to synchronize anything in the thought experiment.
> 
> Try to rewrite SR using such parameter and tell me how did it work. I bet anyone will fail trying that. No light signals needed,
> only telepathy between ghost observers to carry measurements from one point to the other.
> 
> But, of course, you'll not like the outcome: relativity theory will fail to be developed, because you are prevented to use t and t',
> which are the unkowns because NOBODY knows what time is.
> 
> But this is too much for your head, filled with wood chips, specially if humidity is high and it inflates.


Somewhere...albert einstein said it was IMPOSSIBLE to synchronize
clocks.



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 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
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