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Am 29.03.2022 um 08:19 schrieb Thomas Heger:
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>>>> * "wave train" is the standard physics usage in English. The correct
>>>> English translation of Einstein's paper (which you should have used
>>>> in the first place) employs the same term:
>>>> https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol2-trans/174
>>> Sure 'wave-train' is in common use in English. But in German 'Wellenzug'
>>> (literal translation of 'wave-train) is not used in connection with
>>> waves.
>>
>> It is: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellenpaket
>
> I have thought about this particular phrase for a long time.
>
> To me the word 'Wellenzug' (in the German version) didn't make sense.
>
> The German language allows, different than English, to create new words
> according to certain general rules.
>
> One such rule is to make nouns from verbs, like here: 'Zug' (train) from
> 'ziehen' ('to pull').
>
> To make it possible, that newly created words are understood by
> everyone, there exist general rules for how such new words are created
> and how they have to be interpreted.
>
> Such nouns created from verbs must have a relation to the verb, from
> which they were derived.
>
> So: 'Zug' MUST have a connection to something pulling something!!!


Lines are actually something, you could use 'Zug' for, because 'ziehen 
is also similar to 'to draw'. In the German linguistic picture a feather 
is dragged over a paper, what leaves a line.


> As this is a general rule, it overrides even dictionaries.
>
> Same thig with composed words:
>
> German alllows to piece words together like 'Lego' bricks.
>
> Such composits are interpreted as string of related things.
>
> Therefore 'Wellenzug' is interpreted as 'Wellen' + 'Zug'. (waves + train)
>
> Since 'train' is not derived from a verb, it might be translated to 'Zug'.
>
> But the part 'Zug' in German is prohibitted by this general rule for
> substantivated verbs, because the waves in pyhsics are not pulled, hence
> 'ziehen' is inappropriate for physical waves. This would disallow to
> connect physical waves with 'Zug'.
>
> The English phrase 'wave train' is a 'linguistic picture', which has no
> counterpart in German. It is related to the sound a long train makes, it
> it rattles over a gap in the track. It means the passing by of the waves
> like train-cars on a track. This phenomenon it not associated with any
> German word, hence needs to be described with a few additional words.


My fault:

'Wellenzug' is actually a German word, too, but does not mean the same 
thing as 'wave train'.

(this is called 'false friend').

The German phrase means

" Linie des wellenförmigen Verlaufs einer Welle"
(= line along which a wave moves)

The English phrase means something like a wave-packet:

https://context.reverso.net/%C3%BCbersetzung/englisch-deutsch/wave+train

"There, the particles were captured by the electric field of the second 
pulse, an infrared wave train lasting less than five femtoseconds. "


TH

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