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Re: Simplifying the Church / Turing thesis

From phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.theory, sci.logic, sci.math, comp.ai.philosophy, alt.messianic
Subject Re: Simplifying the Church / Turing thesis
Date 2026-05-16 09:37 -0600
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Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 05/16/2026 07:58 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>> On 05/15/2026 11:45 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>> On 5/13/26 8:46 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 5/13/2026 10:26 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>> On 5/13/26 5:07 PM, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-05-13 17:40, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/13/2026 4:37 PM, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2026-05-13 09:28, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *The entire body of knowledge that can be expressed in language*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ... is an ill-defined set which only exists in your mind. There's
>>>>>>>> over 8 billion people on earth, all of whom believe different,
>>>>>>>> often contradictory things. And, with the exception of theorems of
>>>>>>>> formal systems, there is nothing that we know with absolute
>>>>>>>> certainty. Only varying degrees of certainty, but for every given
>>>>>>>> fact you won't get a universal consensus on exactly how certain we
>>>>>>>> are of that fact.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So maybe cats were never animals and this "belief"
>>>>>>> has always been mass psychosis? In actual reality
>>>>>>> cats were always a kind of snake?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I propose that a finite set of "atomic facts" of general
>>>>>>> knowledge inherently exists and that no 100% concrete
>>>>>>> counter-example can ever be found.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Until you can produce this finite set of atomic facts you're all
>>>>>> just bluster. Here's a few statements. Which would you consider
>>>>>> atomic facts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> – The Universe is 14 billion years old.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> – The Ungulates and the Carnivores form a clade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> – Jesus Christ died for our sins.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> – Nearly 70% of the mass-energy of the universe consists of dark
>>>>>> energy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> – Anthropogenic climate change is currently occurring.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> – The Earth is 6000 years old.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> – Argentinosaurus is the largest land animal to ever have lived.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> – Measles vaccine causes autism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> – There exists an "island of stability" where extraheavy elements
>>>>>> with approximately 184 neutrons will have a considerably longer
>>>>>> half- life than that of the heaviest elements currently know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> – Turing showed that halting cannot be computed.
>>>>>
>>>>> actually his proof was in regards to circle-free vs circular
>>>>> machines, not specifically halting ones. please do read p246 and p247
>>>>> of his paper /on computable numbers/ more carefully.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As with Gödel, I don't give a rat's ass about the convoluted
>>>> mess of his paper. Unless we boil these things down to their
>>>> barest possible essence they greatly exceed the capacity of
>>>> any human mind.
>>>>
>>>>> and what he showed was that it cannot be computed by a single turing
>>>>> machine.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only because he used a fucking dishonest trick that
>>>> proof theoretic semantics would toss out on its ass.
>>>>
>>>>> no one has demonstrated any _actual_ turing machine with a halting
>>>>> behavior that provably cannot be computed by _any_ machine, as such a
>>>>> machine would have under-specified, non-determinable semantics that
>>>>> then could not actually exist as a real machine, that any actual
>>>>> decider would actually have to decide upon...
>>>>>
>>>>> the theory of computing has predicated itself on a limitation that
>>>>> fundamentally resolves to a catch-22 type paradox that has existed
>>>>> since turing wrote his first paper /on computable numbers/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Its essentially the same damn thing as the Liar Paradox
>>>> that mindless robot humans still have not agreed on. The
>>>> brains of most humans are hard-wired to short-circuit. To
>>>> woefully fallible humans textbooks are the word of God.
>>>> Proof theoretic semantics sees right through this crap.
>>>>
>>>
>>> it just isn't polcott...
>>>
>>> the liar's paradox is a sentence that is false, in regards to nothing.
>>> what is it false about? who the fuck knows 🤷
>>>
>>> godel's sentence is a truth, about nothing, that has no proof. what is
>>> that truth?? again, who the fuck knows 🤷🤷
>>>
>>> turing's diagonal, however, is computing an explicitly defined object.
>>> it is trying to take the n-th digit from the n-th circle-free machine,
>>> and constructing it into the n-th digit of a "diagonal" ... and
>>> stumbling on the fact it never defined a digit for itself on that
>>> diagonal
>>>
>>> turing's diagonal isn't a "dishonest" trick. he legitimately got stumped
>>> by trying to compute an explicitly defined object, and figured it
>>> supported godel's result
>>>
>>
>> Ever heard of Yaroslav Sergeyev?
>>
>> How about Simon Stevin?
>>
>> You must have heard of Zeno.
>>
>> Then, I imagine you remember geometry and the compass and edge,
>> and about classical constructions.
>>
>> So, if you add an Archimedean spiral to compass and edge,
>> all of a sudden the "angle-trisection" and "squaring the
>> circle" and "doubling the cube" are constructible, since
>> it's a new elementary object that happens to fulfill
>> making it so that these otherwise "impossible" constructions
>> are not impossible any-more.
>>
>> Have you heard of Ruffini-Abel and the insolvability of
>> the quintic? It presumes a limited set of elementary
>> functions, it doesn't say the quintic doesn't have
>> solutions, only as among some usual elementary functions.
>>
>> So, Turing didn't have a "Zeno machine" architecture,
>> while it's figured that nature in its continuity
>> solves Turing problems all the time.
>>
>>
>> Then, mathematical idea of the infinite make for that
>> number theorists like Erdos make constructions that
>> disagree, about the laws of large numbers and limits
>> and the inductive limit (beyond classical constructions),
>> the "infinite" limit and the "continuum" limit, make
>> for things in mathematics that are called "emergence"
>> after "convergence" since "convergence" would never arrive.
>>
>>
>> Anyways people can look to Mirimanoff who points out
>> that an infinitely-many would have an infinitely-grand,
>> and then take Goedel's theorem and point out that
>> that's the first obvious thing to Goedel's missing
>> sentence to be, "extra-ordinary".
>>
>> It's obvious, or "duh".
>>
>>
> 
> And, "The Liar" is false about _nothing_ yet itself.
> 
> It's like, in a world where there is no 'but', only 'yet',
> that "the Liar", is the only "but".
> 
> That "there is no but: only yet", is the idea that instead
> of excluded-middle being universal, since it isn't and
> instead only defines a class of propositions that happen
> to be binary predicates, instead that the temporal modal
> relevance logic keeps "yet" as proper.
> 
> "There are IFs, there are ANDs, ...,
> don't really need any BUTs, ..., yet".
> 
> 'Yet': it's kind of like 'that', and is implicit anywhere.
> 
> Yet that yet that yet that yet that yet that it is so:
> that that that that that it is so.
> 
> 
I find that 'except' paired with 'yet' covers every instance of 'but.' 
If you can find an exception to this, please show me.

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      Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Correction Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-04-20 11:49 +0300
        Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Correction olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-04-20 08:31 -0500
          Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Correction Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-04-21 09:30 +0300
            Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Correction olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-04-21 08:22 -0500
              Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Correction Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-04-22 10:03 +0300
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Correction olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-04-22 02:45 -0500
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Correction Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-04-23 09:35 +0300
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Correction olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 08:32 -0500
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Correction Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-04-24 09:08 +0300
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Correction olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 10:01 -0500
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Correction Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-04-25 11:18 +0300
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Correction olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 07:19 -0500
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Correction Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-04-26 11:17 +0300
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                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Catches Liars Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2026-04-26 20:09 -0400
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Catches Liars Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-04-27 12:04 +0300
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Catches Liars olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-04-27 09:38 -0500
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Catches Liars Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-04-28 10:51 +0300
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Catches Liars olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-04-28 07:22 -0500
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" will be fully elaborated --- Catches Liars Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-04-29 09:51 +0300
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                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" <is> fully elaborated Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-04-25 11:20 +0300
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" <is> fully elaborated olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 07:25 -0500
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" <is> fully elaborated Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-04-26 11:09 +0300
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" <is> fully elaborated olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-04-26 08:22 -0500
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" <is> fully elaborated Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2026-04-26 20:14 -0400
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" <is> fully elaborated Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-04-27 12:22 +0300
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" <is> fully elaborated olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-04-27 09:47 -0500
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" <is> fully elaborated Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-04-28 10:55 +0300
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" <is> fully elaborated olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-04-28 07:24 -0500
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" <is> fully elaborated Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-04-29 09:57 +0300
                Re: The notion of a "well founded justification tree" <is> fully elaborated Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-04-30 11:04 +0300
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