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| Subject | Re: A Paradox of Equality? |
| From | Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> |
First time you hear about set theory Danny Boy? Why would a set that satisfies r ∈ r not be compatible with the axiom of regularity? Axiom of regularity The axiom was introduced by von Neumann (1925) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom_of_regularity Because r ∈ r would imply an infinite decending chain, which doesn't exist in a wellfounded universe: ... r ∈ r ∈ r ∈ r ∈ r The fact that a set r, that satisfies r ∈ r, isn't regular aka wellfunded is also mentioned on Wikipedia: Elementary implications of regularity we cannot have A ∈ A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom_of_regularity#Elementary_implications_of_regularity Mild Shock schrieb am Dienstag, 6. Juni 2023 um 00:04:53 UTC+2: > You are a little confused Danny Boy. These are two different > words "founded" and "formed". Do you need glasses? Do > you have eyesight problems like John Gabriel. > > The axiom of regularity requires, and therefore > excludes a set that would satisfy r e r: > > Well Founded Sets > > It doesn't require anything well formed. > Its not some well formedness axiom. > > Let (S,⪯) be an ordered set. > Then (S,⪯) is well-founded if and only if it satisfies the minimal condition: > Every non-empty subset of S has a minimal element. > That is, if the ordering ⪯ is a well-founded relation. > https://proofwiki.org/wiki/Definition:Well-Founded_Ordered_Set > Dan Christensen schrieb am Montag, 5. Juni 2023 um 23:34:45 UTC+2: > > On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 4:14:59 PM UTC-4, Mild Shock wrote: > > > An approximation to this thinking is the regularity > > > axiom in ZFC. Namely this axion: > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom_of_regularity > > > > > > It would make r e r false. > > To be false, it must be well formed. Busted! > > Dan > > > > Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com > > Visit my Math Blog at http://www.dcproof.wordpress.com
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