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| Subject | Re: A Paradox of Equality? |
| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 11:17:55 AM UTC-7, Dan Christensen wrote: > On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 2:02:40 PM UTC-4, Ross Finlayson wrote: > > On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 10:33:09 AM UTC-7, Dan Christensen wrote: > > > Using ordinary set theory, we can prove: > > > > > > (1) ALL(a):[a in X & a=a] is FALSE for any set X. > > > > > > Whereas > > > > > > (2) ALL(a):[a in X => a=a]] is TRUE for any set X. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > PROOF (1) > > > > > > Lemma: From Russel's Paradox (Proof: http://dcproof.com/UniversalSet.htm ) > > > > > > 1. ALL(a):[Set(a) => EXIST(b):~b in a] > > > Axiom > > > > > > Let x be a set > > > > > > 2. Set(x) > > > Premise > > > > > > Apply lemma > > > > > > 3. Set(x) => EXIST(b):~b in x > > > U Spec, 1 > > > > > > 4. EXIST(b):~b in x > > > Detach, 3, 2 > > > > > > 5. ~y in x > > > E Spec, 4 > > > > > > 6. ~y in x | ~y=y > > > Arb Or, 5 > > > > > > 7. ~[~~y in x & ~~y=y] > > > DeMorgan, 6 > > > > > > 8. ~[y in x & ~~y=y] > > > Rem DNeg, 7 > > > > > > 9. ~[y in x & y=y] > > > Rem DNeg, 8 > > > > > > 10. ALL(x):[Set(x) => EXIST(a):~[a in x & a=a]] > > > Conclusion, 2 > > > > > > 11. ALL(x):[Set(x) => ~ALL(a):~~[a in x & a=a]] > > > Quant, 10 > > > > > > 12. ALL(x):[Set(x) => ~ALL(a):[a in x & a=a]] > > > Rem DNeg, 11 > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > PROOF (2) > > > > > > 1. Set(x) > > > Premise > > > > > > 2. y in x > > > Premise > > > > > > 3. y=y > > > Reflex > > > > > > 4. ALL(a):[a in x => a=a] > > > Conclusion, 2 > > > > > > 5. ALL(x):[Set(x) => ALL(a):[a in x => a=a]] > > > Conclusion, 1 > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com > > > Visit my Math Blog at http://www.dcproof.wordpress.com > > > Maybe you should read Quine, even the introduction to his book > > on set theory could help you, > [snip] > > Thanks, but I'm not asking for any "help." I'm simply pointing why, in ordinary set theory (no classes), you should avoid constructs of the form ALL(a):[a in x & P]. They will always be false since every set must exclude some object. > > he doesn't employ "material implication", > [snip] > > I see no reason to avoid material implication for logical propositions that are unambiguously either true or false in the present. > Dan > > Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com > Visit my Math Blog at http://www.dcproof.wordpress.com You're unequipped to deal with these "paradoxes" unless you get them out of the way up front. Your ignorance of the surrounds does not serve you well.
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