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Re: llvmlite, numba, and llvm versions

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Subject	Re: llvmlite, numba, and llvm versions
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On 2025-02-18 20:39:05 +0100, Matthias Klose wrote:
> On 18.02.25 19:41, M. Zhou wrote:
> > On Tue, 2025-02-18 at 09:50 -0800, Diane Trout wrote:
> > > 
> > > Do you have any ideas of what could be done to help get a version of
> > > llvmlite that works with numba into Debian?
> > 
> > No idea. I'm keeping an eye on upstream release but the only option
> > I can see to make it work is to depend on the LLVM version that does
> > not exist in unstable.
> 
> I don't understand why the release team insists on having only a limited
> number of LLVM versions in a release.  First, they actively make it
> difficult to introduce new LLVM versions, filing RC issues that hinder new
> versions entering testing, then they limit the number of LLVM versions. What
> is gained by this?  A disservice to Debian's users.

Somebody would need start to take care of RC bugs in old llvm-toolchain
releases. They regularly accumulate without being fixed. Also, before
you start throwing mud in our direction, we always coordinate the set of
llvm-toolchain releases in a particular Debian release with the LLVM
maintainers. For trixie Sylvestre back then agreed that we focus on -19
and -18 and get the others removed.

Cheers

> 
> I had asked both the Debian and Ubuntu security teams, if they had to act on
> LLVM in past releases, and they both confirmed that there were no actions.
> So why showing this stubborn behavior?
> 
> You also could vendorize the llvm version into llvmlite, or at least shrink
> down the Debian LLVM packaging to only ship packages needed by llvmlite.
> 
> Fyi, I kept the LLVM 15 packages in Ubuntu to still ship llvmlite. See
> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/768702530/llvm-toolchain-15_1%3A15.0.7-15build1_1%3A15.0.7-15ubuntu1.diff.gz
> 
> Matthias
> 

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Sebastian Ramacher

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llvmlite, numba, and llvm versions Diane Trout <diane@ghic.org> - 2025-02-18 19:20 +0100
  Re: llvmlite, numba, and llvm versions "M. Zhou" <lumin@debian.org> - 2025-02-18 20:00 +0100
    Re: llvmlite, numba, and llvm versions Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> - 2025-02-18 21:00 +0100
      Re: llvmlite, numba, and llvm versions Sebastian Ramacher <sramacher@debian.org> - 2025-02-18 21:20 +0100
    Re: llvmlite, numba, and llvm versions Diane Trout <diane@ghic.org> - 2025-03-03 05:00 +0100
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      Re: llvmlite, numba, and llvm versions Nicholas D Steeves <sten@debian.org> - 2025-04-10 03:00 +0200
        Re: llvmlite, numba, and llvm versions Diane Trout <diane@ghic.org> - 2025-04-10 06:10 +0200
      Re: llvmlite, numba, and llvm versions "M. Zhou" <lumin@debian.org> - 2025-04-10 03:20 +0200
        Re: llvmlite, numba, and llvm versions Diane Trout <diane@ghic.org> - 2025-04-10 06:20 +0200

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