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Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594

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On 02/08/2024 18:55, Alexandre Detiste wrote:
> Le ven. 2 août 2024 à 12:25, Blair Noctis <n@sail.ng> a écrit :
>>> Debian could also benefit from this zombie-telnetlib.
>>
>> How?
>>
>> On the other hand, it would allow packages to continue relying on a thing
>> expunged from upstream, a maintenance burden for both Debian and upstream.
> 
> If we for example need to patch 10 dead-upstream projects to re-add telnetlib.py
> & the corresponding stanza in d/copyright it might be less work
> to scale it out in an external source package.
> 
> All of this depends on how many packages will need this telnetlib.
> 
> codesearch gives pages and pages of stuff with a lot of false positives
> 
> https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=telnetlib&literal=1&perpkg=1&page=5

Searching in regex mode with `import.*telnetlib path:*.py` should give more
accurate results. But nevertheless:

Yeah, if they have not migrated. This PEP was first proposed in 2019, amended in
2022, and 3.13 is slanted to be released in October, 2024. Package authors
should have had plenty of time to have this information propagated to them and
migrate. Even today, 2 Aug 2024, is 2 months from the effective date. Please
file bugreports/issues to ask the packages you care about to migrate.

> If we for example need to patch 10 dead-upstream projects

which means the maintainer is now responsible for keeping it up to date.
Including following Python upgrades and PEPs. But not by

> to scale it out in an external source package

which is effectively going against Python upstream, allowing the thing to live
on, and people to say "it's still alive in Debian!"

Also, even python3.11 is still there. Sure someone needing something expunged
from 3.13 would be fine staying with 3.12?

-- 
Sdrager,
Blair Noctis

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Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-08-02 09:20 +0200
  Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Alexandre Detiste <alexandre.detiste@gmail.com> - 2024-08-02 10:30 +0200
    Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Salvo Tomaselli <tiposchi@tiscali.it> - 2024-08-02 11:00 +0200
    Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-08-02 11:20 +0200
      Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 eevelweezel <eevel.weezel@gmail.com> - 2024-08-02 11:40 +0200
      Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Alexandre Detiste <alexandre.detiste@gmail.com> - 2024-08-02 11:50 +0200
      Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Salvo Tomaselli <tiposchi@tiscali.it> - 2024-08-02 14:20 +0200
        Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-08-02 14:40 +0200
          Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Salvo Tomaselli <tiposchi@tiscali.it> - 2024-08-02 16:10 +0200
            Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-08-03 03:10 +0200
              Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Salvo Tomaselli <tiposchi@tiscali.it> - 2024-08-03 15:50 +0200
      Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Emmanuel Arias <eamanu@debian.org> - 2024-08-03 11:30 +0200
    Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Blair Noctis <n@sail.ng> - 2024-08-02 12:30 +0200
      Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Alexandre Detiste <alexandre.detiste@gmail.com> - 2024-08-02 13:00 +0200
        Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Blair Noctis <n@sail.ng> - 2024-08-02 13:50 +0200
          Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2024-08-02 14:10 +0200
            Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Blair Noctis <n@sail.ng> - 2024-08-02 14:30 +0200
          Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Salvo Tomaselli <tiposchi@tiscali.it> - 2024-08-02 14:20 +0200
            Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Blair Noctis <n@sail.ng> - 2024-08-02 14:30 +0200
          Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-08-03 03:50 +0200
            Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Étienne Mollier <emollier@debian.org> - 2024-08-03 10:30 +0200
          Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-08-03 07:30 +0200
            Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> - 2024-08-03 10:10 +0200
              Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-08-11 15:40 +0200
          Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Alexandre Detiste <alexandre.detiste@gmail.com> - 2024-08-03 15:00 +0200

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