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Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594

From	Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org>
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Subject	Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594
Date	2024-08-03 10:10 +0200
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On 03.08.24 07:25, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote:
> On 2024-08-02 20:40, Blair Noctis wrote:
>>> to scale it out in an external source package
>> which is effectively going against Python upstream, allowing the thing 
>> to live
>> on, and people to say "it's still alive in Debian!"
>>
>> Also, even python3.11 is still there. Sure someone needing something 
>> expunged
>> from 3.13 would be fine staying with 3.12?
> 
> The idea of having these libraries around for Trixie (and to remove them 
> after the release) is to ease the 3.13 transition.
> 
>  From my preliminary analysis, there are more than 600 packages that use 
> one of the stdlib that'll be removed in 3.13.

There's also the option to remove packages from testing and/or unstable. 
I assume, we'll see a lot of packages still using old modules getting 
removed from testing, once 3.13 becomes the default. It's also an option 
to remove those completely, if they are not maintained.

> That is a lot of work and I doubt we'll have a successful transition 
> without this temporary measure.

can we agree on a naming for the packaging, e.g. 
python3-zombie-<module>, so that we make it clear, that people are using 
obsolete code?

we do that for python3-zombie-imp already.

Matthias

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Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-08-02 09:20 +0200
  Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Alexandre Detiste <alexandre.detiste@gmail.com> - 2024-08-02 10:30 +0200
    Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Salvo Tomaselli <tiposchi@tiscali.it> - 2024-08-02 11:00 +0200
    Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-08-02 11:20 +0200
      Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 eevelweezel <eevel.weezel@gmail.com> - 2024-08-02 11:40 +0200
      Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Alexandre Detiste <alexandre.detiste@gmail.com> - 2024-08-02 11:50 +0200
      Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Salvo Tomaselli <tiposchi@tiscali.it> - 2024-08-02 14:20 +0200
        Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-08-02 14:40 +0200
          Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Salvo Tomaselli <tiposchi@tiscali.it> - 2024-08-02 16:10 +0200
            Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-08-03 03:10 +0200
              Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Salvo Tomaselli <tiposchi@tiscali.it> - 2024-08-03 15:50 +0200
      Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Emmanuel Arias <eamanu@debian.org> - 2024-08-03 11:30 +0200
    Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Blair Noctis <n@sail.ng> - 2024-08-02 12:30 +0200
      Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Alexandre Detiste <alexandre.detiste@gmail.com> - 2024-08-02 13:00 +0200
        Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Blair Noctis <n@sail.ng> - 2024-08-02 13:50 +0200
          Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2024-08-02 14:10 +0200
            Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Blair Noctis <n@sail.ng> - 2024-08-02 14:30 +0200
          Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Salvo Tomaselli <tiposchi@tiscali.it> - 2024-08-02 14:20 +0200
            Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Blair Noctis <n@sail.ng> - 2024-08-02 14:30 +0200
          Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-08-03 03:50 +0200
            Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Étienne Mollier <emollier@debian.org> - 2024-08-03 10:30 +0200
          Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-08-03 07:30 +0200
            Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> - 2024-08-03 10:10 +0200
              Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-08-11 15:40 +0200
          Re: Alternative libraries for PEP-594 Alexandre Detiste <alexandre.detiste@gmail.com> - 2024-08-03 15:00 +0200

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