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Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite

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On July 29, 2024 8:53:11 AM UTC, "Louis-Philippe Véronneau" <pollo@debian.org> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>As discussed during the DebConf24 Python BoF, I'm submitting this change to the policy to require the use of the upstream test suite, both during the build process and as an autopkgtest.
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>You can find the MR here:
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>https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/-/merge_requests/24
>
>People present at the BoF seemed to think this was a good idea. If you don't please reply to this message and make yourself heard :)

I understand the theory and why it's a good idea to run the test suite.  I don't think it ought to be a hard requirement.  I have several packages where there's a test suite, but I don't run it:

1.  The largest set is packages that need test only dependencies which are not packaged.  When I am packaging something new which has a test suite, then I generally package any needed test depends. If those test depends also need test depends packaged, I generally stop and don't enable tests for things that are only in the archives to support tests.  Noseofyeti is an example of this.

2.  There's at least one case where Debian has customizations that cause the test suite to fail, but the failures don't seem to cause any real problems.  If anyone wants to make it so the weasyprint test suite works on Debian, please knock yourself out.

3.  I also maintain multiple packages which require network access to run their test suite, so they can't run tests during build, only autopkgtests.

While I agree that running tests is good, it's not a universally reasonable requirement.

If we add this as a hard requirement for team packages, what do people think will happen?  Will people invest more volunteer time that they otherwise wouldn't have to add running tests?  Will they leave it for someone else on the team to address?  Will they remove packages from team maintenance?

Python policy is only enforceable within the team.  For the rest of the archive, it's a statement of best practices for people to consider.  Making this a hard requirement for team packages is a statement that we would rather such packages not be team maintained.  I don't think that's a good idea.

Scott K

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Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-07-29 11:00 +0200
  Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel <frederic-emmanuel.picca@synchrotron-soleil.fr> - 2024-07-29 11:30 +0200
    Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Martin <debacle@debian.org> - 2024-07-29 14:00 +0200
      Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel <frederic-emmanuel.picca@synchrotron-soleil.fr> - 2024-07-29 15:50 +0200
        Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-07-29 16:00 +0200
          Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel <frederic-emmanuel.picca@synchrotron-soleil.fr> - 2024-07-29 17:40 +0200
            Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-07-29 18:10 +0200
            Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-07-30 10:40 +0200
              Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel <frederic-emmanuel.picca@synchrotron-soleil.fr> - 2024-07-30 11:10 +0200
                Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-07-31 16:20 +0200
              Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2024-07-30 17:00 +0200
                Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-07-31 16:10 +0200
          Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2024-07-31 10:50 +0200
            Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-07-31 16:10 +0200
              Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2024-07-31 16:20 +0200
  Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-07-29 14:10 +0200
    Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2024-07-29 16:40 +0200
    Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2024-07-29 23:50 +0200
    Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-07-30 03:00 +0200
      Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-07-30 04:20 +0200
        Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-07-30 04:50 +0200
          Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-07-30 06:00 +0200
            Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-07-30 06:30 +0200
              Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-07-30 06:50 +0200
                Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite thomas@goirand.fr - 2024-07-30 09:20 +0200
  Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2024-07-29 16:10 +0200
    Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-07-30 03:00 +0200
  Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-08-15 00:10 +0200
    Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2024-08-16 17:00 +0200
    Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2024-08-17 00:50 +0200
      Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-08-18 23:20 +0200
        Re: Policy Change Proposal: Running the upstream test suite Graham Inggs <ginggs@debian.org> - 2024-08-19 15:40 +0200

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