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Re: Suggesting change in DPT Policy

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On Sat, Mar 09, 2024 at 06:46:52PM +0100, Anton Gladky wrote:
> Same for me. Thanks for proposal. +1
> Anton
> Am Sa., 9. März 2024 um 17:51 Uhr schrieb Nilesh Patra <nilesh@debian.org>:
> 
>   I am late to the party but I agree with the policy change.

Following on from some earlier discussions, I've been thinking about
the relationship between the DPT (presumably a group of developers who
work together) and salsa (could there be packages in the
python-team/packages area which are not team maintained?).  I reread
much of the policy at
https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/blob/master/policy.rst
and discovered something quite strange.  The introduction begins:

---
Introduction:

The Debian Python Team (DPT) aims to improve the Python packages
situation in Debian, by packaging available modules and applications
that may be useful and providing a central location for packages
maintained by a team, hence improving responsiveness, integration, and
standardization.

The DPT is hosted at salsa.debian.org, the Debian GitLab
installation. We currently have a Git repository and a mailing list
whose email address can be used in the Maintainer or Uploaders fields
on co-maintained packages.
---

If the DPT is a team (a group of maintainers/developers/helpful
others), what does "The DPT is hosted at salsa" mean - how can a
"team" be hosted?  (And in the first paragraph, "maintained by a team"
seems a little strange too.)

Perhaps something like the following would be better (shifting the
focus from the tools to the people), and would also separate concerns
more clearly:

---
Introduction:

The Debian Python Team (DPT) is a group of maintainers who are jointly
responsible for a large number of Python packages in Debian.  They
package and support available Python modules and applications that may
be useful.

By using a central location on salsa.debian.org, the Debian GitLab
instance, for these team-maintained packages, the DPT are able to
improve responsiveness, integration, and standardization.
---

Then the details of how to mark a package as being team-maintained can
be left to the Maintainership section.

We could then include a statement along the lines of the following
(though I'm not sure where would be best):

---
Python module packages which are not team-maintained by the DPT can
also be stored in the python-team/packages namespace on salsa in order
to benefit from the integration and standardization tools such as
Janitor.  Manual changes to these packages by someone other than the
package's maintainer should be proposed via salsa merge requests or
comments in the BTS (or using NMUs if appropriate) as for any other
individually-maintained package.
---

It would be good to say something about Uploaders in the
Maintainership section.  Perhaps something like this:

---
A package maintained within the team must have the name of the team in
the Maintainer field:

Maintainer: Debian Python Team <team+python@tracker.debian.org>

This enables the team to have an overview of its packages on the
DDPO_website.

If a particular developer wishes to take primary responsibility for a
package, they should put their name in the Uploaders field.  [*** What
does this mean though?  Maybe something like: In this case, any DPT
member is still welcome to make changes to the package, though it is
polite to contact the developer(s) named in the Uploaders field
first. ***]

If there are complications in the packaging of the module, for
example, if certain modules are interdependent and need to be updated
together, this should be documented in debian/README.source [*** or
somewhere else ***]
---

Best wishes,

   Julian

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Suggesting change in DPT policy Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2024-02-27 09:10 +0100
  Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Scott Talbert <swt@techie.net> - 2024-02-27 15:30 +0100
    Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-02-27 19:40 +0100
      Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-02-28 01:00 +0100
        Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2024-02-28 08:10 +0100
          Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-02-28 12:50 +0100
            Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2024-02-28 15:40 +0100
        Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-02-28 13:00 +0100
      Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Jeroen Ploemen <jcfp@debian.org> - 2024-02-29 20:50 +0100
        Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2024-03-01 08:30 +0100
          Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Jeroen Ploemen <jcfp@debian.org> - 2024-03-01 13:10 +0100
            Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> - 2024-03-02 21:40 +0100
              Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-03-02 22:20 +0100
                Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2024-03-02 23:20 +0100
                Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2024-03-03 07:20 +0100
                Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-03-03 18:20 +0100
  +1 (Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy) Jochen Sprickerhof <jspricke@debian.org> - 2024-02-27 15:40 +0100
  Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Timo Röhling <roehling@debian.org> - 2024-02-27 16:10 +0100
    Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2024-02-28 08:20 +0100
      Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Étienne Mollier <emollier@debian.org> - 2024-02-28 09:40 +0100
        Maintaining packages with complex relationships (Was: Suggesting  change in DPT policy) Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2024-02-28 12:00 +0100
          Re: Maintaining packages with complex relationships (Was: Suggesting  change in DPT policy) Timo Röhling <roehling@debian.org> - 2024-02-28 16:50 +0100
  Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Martin <debacle@debian.org> - 2024-02-27 16:40 +0100
  Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy weepingclown <weepingclown@disroot.org> - 2024-02-27 17:30 +0100
    Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2024-02-28 09:10 +0100
  Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Arto Jantunen <viiru@debian.org> - 2024-02-27 21:30 +0100
  Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2024-02-27 21:40 +0100
    Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2024-02-28 09:30 +0100
      Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2024-02-28 15:30 +0100
        Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2024-02-28 15:50 +0100
  Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Stefano Rivera <stefanor@debian.org> - 2024-02-28 03:00 +0100
  Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Agathe Porte <gagath@debian.org> - 2024-02-28 10:30 +0100
  Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2024-02-28 11:50 +0100
  Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Salvo Tomaselli <tiposchi@tiscali.it> - 2024-03-01 01:20 +0100
  Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Stefano Rivera <stefanor@debian.org> - 2024-03-03 00:10 +0100
  Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Emmanuel Arias <eamanu@yaerobi.com> - 2024-03-03 00:40 +0100
    Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy Alexandre Detiste <alexandre.detiste@gmail.com> - 2024-03-03 16:20 +0100
  Re: Suggesting change in DPT Policy Nilesh Patra <nilesh@debian.org> - 2024-03-09 18:00 +0100
    Re: Suggesting change in DPT Policy Anton Gladky <gladk@debian.org> - 2024-03-09 18:50 +0100
      Re: Suggesting change in DPT Policy Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2024-03-09 22:30 +0100
        Re: Suggesting change in DPT Policy Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2024-03-19 08:40 +0100

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