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Re: Suggesting change in DPT policy

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Hi Jeroen,

Am Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 08:48:33PM +0100 schrieb Jeroen Ploemen:
> ...

Julian had sensibly commented on this and had added interesting
questions I'm keen on hearing your answers.

> As for the inclusion of codes of conduct or similar wording,
> documenting common sense just feels unnecessary. While being on the
> receiving end of a compliment for bug-squashing work is certainly
> nice, the lack thereof isn't a measure of disrespect.

Julien also commented on this.  Despite I never thought to spent so much
time on the bug that triggered the discussion I consider it important
enough to clarify some misunderstandings which obviously were caused by
the mails I wrote about this.

As a non-native speaker, I am actively working on improving my
communication skills. I would appreciate it if you could point out which
part of my messages led you to believe that I felt disrespected. My
intention was simply to provide some insight into why the task someone
scheduled for me was not high on my priority list during my spare time.

To summarize the visible facts:

 2023-12-12 serious bug #1058177 was filed, solution for this kind of
            bugs is simple for maintainers comfortable with Python 3.12

 2023-12-22 closed with changelog
    [ Andreas Tille ]
    * Set DPT maintainer
    * Replace SafeConfigParser deprecated in Python3.12
      Closes: #1058177
    * Transparently skip test_bad_pagebuilder instead of ignoring test suite
      errors

  --> I confirm "Set DPT mainter" was in conflict with DPT policy since
      I just forgot about that very detail and considered it some
      unintended oversight.  I will not do this again as long as this
      policy is not changed

 Response in Salsa comment[1]

 Sandro Tosi: @tille please explain why you think this is appropriate

 Andreas Tille: In all teams I know policy says the team address should be put
   as Maintainer. After checking DPT policy again again I realise it gives both
   options with different meanings. Sorry about that and feel free to revert.

 Sandro Tosi: @tille you made the mistake, so you do the reverting and the
   uploading to rectify it.


Comment: That seems fair.  If my real-life boss had asked, I would have
done it, considering he pays me for it.  Fortunately, my day job boss
knows how to motivate me better.  I wouldn't had brought this up on my
own behalf.  I just went into more detail to explain why I did not fixed
my mistake immediately.  As a volunteer, I have the freedom to choose
which tasks to prioritize.  A little kindness in communication can
significantly impact my priorities.  I wasn't expecting a "thank you for
fixing the bug," but I believe it's unrealistic for Sandro to expect me
to follow such commands as a volunteer.  (Fun fact:  I was throwing the
last two paragraphs into a LLM and besides fixing my paragraph several
changes where suggested to Sandro's quote.)


sphinxtesters (0.2.3-4) unstable; urgency=medium

  * Revert attempt by a rogue developer to hijack this package

 -- Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org>  Sun, 14 Jan 2024 01:25:23 -0500


I wonder how the attribute 'rogue' is supported by the discussion above,
nor where the intention to hijack the package is inferred from.


sphinxtesters (0.2.3-5) unstable; urgency=medium

  * orphan

 -- Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org>  Thu, 29 Feb 2024 01:55:25 -0500


I admit the last upload makes the initial request to revert the
Maintainer change questionable.  I also confirm that I have experienced
worse things before than giving me the attribute "rogue" or blaming
me about bad intentions.  Fine for me I developed some thick skin
meanwhile.

> I cannot recall
> any discussion on the team's IRC channel or mailing list crossing
> that line.

If you cannot recall anything that crossed the line I intended to draw
explicitly in our policy through my MR[2], I am curious to know where,
in your opinion, this falls in relation to our goal of 'striving to
create a kind and inviting atmosphere among team members.'  If it would
be only about me, I would simply move on (which I did until there was
another point of friction with no public traces).  But it does concern
fostering a welcoming team environment. In my view, this crosses the
line, and I am grateful to have been part of teams where such incidents
were not tolerated.

Kind regards
    Andreas.

[1] https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/packages/sphinxtesters/-/commit/d8b1083db26c753c8a76dd91b7e91f3ef98c0515#note_450676
[2] https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/-/merge_requests/21

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