Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > linux.debian.maint.java > #12518

Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm?

Show all headers | View raw

Le 2023-01-26 19:39, Thorsten Glaser a écrit :

>> ineluctable truth: we need OpenJDK 8 back into the stable 
>> distribution.
> 
> Not going to happen, sorry. This has been vetoed by the security
> team and was the condition for keeping it in unstable at all.

Are you opposed to this idea, or just pessimistic it could be accepted?

I think it's important to highlight that the situation has evolved. We
thought openjdk-8 was good enough in unstable only to bootstrap Kotlin 
and
then move to a more recent JDK, but this isn't going to happen. Also 
there
was an uncertainty on the lifetime of OpenJDK 8, but it's clear now that
it'll be maintained for at least two more Debian releases. We have 
invested
an insane amount of time in these Kotlin/Gradle issues, maintaining
openjdk-8 in stable would require only a fraction of that.

The longer we wait, the more likely we are going to paint ourself in a
corner, with a completely broken and unmaintainable Gradle for example, 
or
other elements in our tool chain that will no longer work with OpenJDK 8
and break even more the kotlin build.

We still have some time to discuss this before the Bookworm release. I
suggest that we let openjdk-8 transition to testing now before the
beginning of the soft freeze, just to keep our options open. We won't
expand the usage of kotlin during that time (no Gradle upgrade for 
example)
such that the situation remains reversible before the release.

Emmanuel Bourg

Back to linux.debian.maint.java | Previous | Next — Previous in thread | Next in thread | Find similar

Thread

Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2023-01-26 18:20 +0100
  Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2023-01-26 19:10 +0100
  Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2023-01-26 19:40 +0100
    Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2023-01-30 00:40 +0100
      Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2023-01-30 00:50 +0100
        Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2023-02-10 18:10 +0100
          Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2023-02-11 10:30 +0100
  Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2023-02-01 12:30 +0100
    Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2023-02-01 15:20 +0100
      Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at> - 2023-02-13 12:40 +0100
        Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2023-02-13 15:10 +0100
          Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at> - 2023-02-13 16:40 +0100
            Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at> - 2023-02-13 17:00 +0100
            Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2023-02-13 17:20 +0100
              Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at> - 2023-02-13 17:40 +0100

csiph-web