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Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm?

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Hi all,

I've been working on Kotlin lately, trying to make it build with OpenJDK 
17
only, and hopefully have it included in Bookworm.

Long story short, after days banging my head on this issue, I don't 
think
it's possible. The latest upstream version, Kotlin 1.8.0, released last
month, still expects OpenJDK 6 and 7 to build! It doesn't look like 
Kotlin
is anywhere near being buildable with a modern JDK. For example, the 
Kotlin
compiler imports classes from the com.sun.tools package which is no 
longer
exported since OpenJDK 9, and it doesn't seem possible to set the
--add-exports options to let the Kotlin compiler access them.

Kotlin has become, for the better or worse, a central piece of the Java
ecosystem, mostly due to its adoption by Gradle and Android. We see an
increasing number of project using Gradle with the Kotlin DSL and they 
are
difficult to maintain. We basically have to rewrite the build system,
either translating the Kotlin build files into Groovy (as was done for
bootstrapping Kotlin, and for the Gradle 6 packaging attempts) or 
replacing
them with something different (the junit5 package now uses Maven). This 
is
extremely tedious and error prone.

We can continue struggling like this for a few more years (the Kotlin
packaging effort started 3 years ago already), or we can accept the
ineluctable truth: we need OpenJDK 8 back into the stable distribution.

Looking around, Ubuntu kept shipping the openjdk-8 package in its latest
22.04 LTS [1], Red Hat still includes it and even pushed back the EOL 
date
by 6 months, from May 2026 to November 2026 [2]. Temurin is also aligned 
on
November 2026 [3]. Azul [4] and Oracle [5] will support OpenJDK until 
2030.
So should Debian include OpenJDK 8 back, we can expect it to be 
supported
by the Java community for the lifetime of Bookworm.

How do you feel about allowing openjdk-8 in testing/bookworm with a 
clear
mention in the release notes that it's only there for technical reasons 
and
we make no commitment about its support?

Emmanuel Bourg


[1] https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/kinetic/openjdk-8
[2] 
https://access.redhat.com/articles/1299013#OpenJDK_Lifecycle_Dates_and_RHEL_versions
[3] https://adoptium.net/support/
[4] https://www.azul.com/products/azul-support-roadmap/
[5] 
https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/java-se-support-roadmap.html

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Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2023-01-26 18:20 +0100
  Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2023-01-26 19:10 +0100
  Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2023-01-26 19:40 +0100
    Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2023-01-30 00:40 +0100
      Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2023-01-30 00:50 +0100
        Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2023-02-10 18:10 +0100
          Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2023-02-11 10:30 +0100
  Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2023-02-01 12:30 +0100
    Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2023-02-01 15:20 +0100
      Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at> - 2023-02-13 12:40 +0100
        Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2023-02-13 15:10 +0100
          Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at> - 2023-02-13 16:40 +0100
            Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at> - 2023-02-13 17:00 +0100
            Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2023-02-13 17:20 +0100
              Re: Kotlin and OpenJDK 8 in Bookworm? Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at> - 2023-02-13 17:40 +0100

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