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| From | Timo Röhling <roehling@debian.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.devel |
| Subject | Re: Firmware - what are we going to do about it? |
| Date | 2022-04-19 12:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <EdSY2-9LeE-11@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
| References | <EdJUJ-9Fwt-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| Organization | The Debian Project |
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Hi Steve, * Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> [2022-04-19 01:27]: >TL;DR: firmware support in Debian sucks, and we need to change this. See the >"My preference, and rationale" Section below. > >[...] > > 5. We could split out the non-free firmware packages into a new > non-free-firmware component in the archive, and allow a specific exception > only to allow inclusion of those packages on our official media. We would > then generate only one set of official media, including those non-free > firmware packages. > >[...] > >Thanks to people who reviewed earlier versions of this document and/or made >suggestions for improvement, in particular: > > • Cyril Brulebois > • Matthew Garrett > • David Leggett > • Martin Michlmayr > • Andy Simpkins > • Neil Williams > Thank you, Steve and everyone else involved, for this excellent write-up! I too find option 5 most convincing. Cheers Timo -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ╭────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ │ Timo Röhling │ ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ │ 9B03 EBB9 8300 DF97 C2B1 23BF CC8C 6BDD 1403 F4CA │ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ ╰────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯
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