Re: NAND Flash Data Retention

From	Volker Bartheld <news2020@bartheld.net>
Newsgroups	de.sci.electronics
Subject	Re: NAND Flash Data Retention
Date	2021-02-15 15:24 +0100
Organization	bartheld.net
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References	(16 earlier) <i8o69hFf8j6U1@mid.individual.net> <s06q6r$97i$1@solani.org> <i8o99eFfrdiU1@mid.individual.net> <ggzytlfy9jpy.dlg@news.bartheld.net> <s0dlv8$kuj$1@dont-email.me>

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On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:29:43 +0100, Rolf Bombach wrote:
> Volker Bartheld schrieb:
>> https://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/SSD-Lebensdauer-Antworten-auf-die-wichtigsten-Fragen-3849412.html
>> Und dabei kommt raus: Je billiger, je kürzer (TLC vs. MLC, Reserve,
>> Controller, Dateisystem). Je heißer, je kürzer (T*2=L/200). Je häufiger,
>> je kürzer (TBW).
> Das "je billiger" wird im obigen Link allerdings abgestritten.

Hängt von der Definition von "billig" ab. USB-sticks, in denen per Adapter
oder Drahtigel irgendwelche recycleten uSD-Kärtchen rödeln, gabs schon
häufiger. Vorgealtert also. Dann stand da oben SLC-TLC-MLC und dafür gibt
es unstrittige Argumente: Mehr Bits in eine Zelle quetschen für den
Vorteil geringerer Kosten aber höherer Zugriffzeit und niedrigerer
Lebenserwartung [1]. Ich rede nicht davon, exorbitante Preise für
hochtrabenden Marken(namen) zu zahlen, nur damit deren Marge steigt.

Billig mag also für den jeweiligen Anwendungszweck reichen, man muß halt
wissen, worauf man sich einläßt. Mein nächstes Motherboard wird jedenfalls
nach aller Möglichkeit ECC-RAM haben - um mal den dortigen Diskussionfaden
aufzugreifen.

Volker

[1] https://www.anandtech.com/show/6459/samsung-ssd-840-testing-the-endurance-of-tlc-nand

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                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-15 14:03 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-15 19:29 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-17 01:16 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-17 13:10 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-14 12:53 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-14 19:13 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 19:19 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Michael Bäuerle <michael.baeuerle@gmx.net> - 2021-02-14 19:34 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 19:44 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-15 12:05 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-13 14:53 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-13 21:33 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-14 12:55 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 18:25 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-14 19:20 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 19:29 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 20:49 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-15 19:36 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-17 01:18 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-17 13:52 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2021-02-17 14:01 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-17 14:43 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2021-02-17 14:50 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-17 15:45 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2021-02-17 16:29 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-17 16:42 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-17 16:49 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2021-02-17 16:52 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-18 15:16 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2021-02-17 17:26 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-17 19:39 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-17 20:06 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-18 15:13 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2021-02-18 19:09 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-18 20:12 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-18 21:44 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Volker Bartheld <news2021@bartheld.net> - 2021-02-18 22:28 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) "Wolfgang Allinger" <all2001@spambog.com> - 2021-02-19 05:20 -0300
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2021-02-18 22:49 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-19 08:36 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-19 14:23 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2021-02-19 16:47 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> - 2021-02-19 17:39 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-20 17:45 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> - 2021-02-20 22:37 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> - 2021-02-19 09:57 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Volker Bartheld <news2020@bartheld.net> - 2021-02-19 12:07 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2021-02-19 13:48 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-19 13:59 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2021-02-19 16:56 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-20 17:49 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2021-02-20 21:36 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-21 01:30 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Volker Bartheld <news2020@bartheld.net> - 2021-02-17 17:19 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-17 19:15 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-17 19:21 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2021-02-17 19:32 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-17 20:41 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Enrik Berkhan <Enrik.Berkhan@inka.de> - 2021-02-18 05:51 +0000
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-18 11:38 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-18 11:48 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2021-02-18 12:01 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-18 12:36 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2021-02-18 13:06 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-18 14:44 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2021-02-19 10:24 +0800
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-19 13:06 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-19 14:11 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-18 15:56 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2021-02-18 16:04 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-18 21:45 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2021-02-18 21:48 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Volker Bartheld <news2021@bartheld.net> - 2021-02-18 22:22 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-18 22:42 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2021-02-18 22:57 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2021-02-19 06:59 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-19 08:37 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2021-02-19 16:40 +0800
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2021-02-19 09:46 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Axel Berger <Spam@Berger-Odenthal.De> - 2021-02-19 10:09 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-19 10:13 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Guido Grohmann <guido.grohmann@gmx.de> - 2021-02-19 12:11 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Axel Berger <Spam@Berger-Odenthal.De> - 2021-02-19 10:18 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> - 2021-02-19 10:26 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> - 2021-02-19 10:00 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sieghard Schicktanz <Sieghard.Schicktanz@SchS.de> - 2021-02-19 21:09 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Volker Bartheld <news2021@bartheld.net> - 2021-02-18 22:21 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastian Suchanek <sebastian.suchanek@gmx.de> - 2021-02-18 14:34 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-18 15:54 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-18 15:50 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2021-02-17 19:33 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-18 15:49 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-17 14:10 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2021-02-17 14:31 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-17 14:47 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Holger <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-17 16:00 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-17 16:07 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastian Suchanek <sebastian.suchanek@gmx.de> - 2021-02-17 20:03 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-17 20:49 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-18 16:02 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-20 14:22 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-20 17:56 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-20 21:12 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-21 01:33 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2021-02-17 23:35 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-17 14:37 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-17 14:55 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-17 15:13 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-17 15:46 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-17 15:50 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Leo Baumann <ib@leobaumann.de> - 2021-02-17 15:57 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-18 16:05 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastian Suchanek <sebastian.suchanek@gmx.de> - 2021-02-18 16:13 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-18 17:07 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastian Suchanek <sebastian@suchanek.de> - 2021-02-18 17:58 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2021-02-18 19:31 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-19 10:16 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-17 15:58 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-18 15:06 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-14 21:04 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 21:12 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-14 19:19 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 19:26 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2021-02-14 19:53 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rainer Knaepper <rainerk@smial.prima.de> - 2021-02-17 20:15 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-18 11:45 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-18 16:08 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-18 21:48 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-18 22:00 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2021-02-18 23:02 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-18 23:20 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-19 08:38 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Volker Bartheld <news2020@bartheld.net> - 2021-02-19 12:23 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-19 18:26 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-19 18:30 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-19 19:54 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-19 20:07 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-20 17:57 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-20 21:15 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-19 13:27 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-19 14:13 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-19 14:29 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-19 19:01 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-20 18:00 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-20 21:24 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-21 01:38 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-19 10:19 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-19 13:41 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Enrik Berkhan <Enrik.Berkhan@inka.de> - 2021-02-18 21:30 +0000
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-18 23:53 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-19 10:18 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-12 12:57 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-12 18:44 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-12 21:08 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2021-02-12 21:21 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-12 21:59 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2021-02-12 22:12 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-12 22:22 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2021-02-12 22:50 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-13 00:52 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-12 23:06 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-13 01:51 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-12 23:09 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-13 01:48 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-13 09:26 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-13 17:31 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-13 21:41 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-14 19:21 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 19:31 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Holger <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-13 00:11 +0100
                NAND Flash Data Retention (was: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic)) Volker Bartheld <news2020@bartheld.net> - 2021-02-13 11:38 +0100
                Re: NAND Flash Data Retention Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-13 19:48 +0100
                Re: NAND Flash Data Retention Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-13 19:50 +0100
                Re: NAND Flash Data Retention Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-13 21:51 +0100
                Re: NAND Flash Data Retention Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-15 12:29 +0100
                Re: NAND Flash Data Retention Volker Bartheld <news2020@bartheld.net> - 2021-02-15 15:24 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-13 14:58 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-13 21:39 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-14 12:56 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 18:26 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-14 21:06 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 21:24 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-15 07:29 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-14 19:27 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 19:33 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2021-02-14 19:58 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-14 22:29 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-15 00:54 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-14 19:58 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-13 09:25 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-13 20:29 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-14 13:00 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2021-02-14 13:36 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Leo Baumann <ib@leobaumann.de> - 2021-02-14 14:25 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-14 14:56 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 19:02 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-15 13:13 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Volker Bartheld <news2020@bartheld.net> - 2021-02-15 16:25 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 18:54 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-14 19:05 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-14 19:31 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 19:42 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 20:56 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-15 07:30 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-15 13:12 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-15 18:34 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-15 19:39 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-17 01:23 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-17 13:56 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-17 14:10 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-16 22:14 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-16 22:35 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-15 19:41 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-16 22:19 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-16 22:49 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-17 01:29 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-17 14:05 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-17 14:14 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-18 16:10 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Volker Bartheld <news2021@bartheld.net> - 2021-02-16 22:59 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-17 01:28 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-16 22:17 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-16 22:38 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-13 14:56 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-13 21:34 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-14 19:35 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 19:52 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 20:59 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2021-02-14 21:45 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-15 07:31 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Guido Grohmann <guido.grohmann@gmx.de> - 2021-02-15 10:28 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Volker Bartheld <news2020@bartheld.net> - 2021-02-15 10:57 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2021-02-15 11:02 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Volker Bartheld <news2020@bartheld.net> - 2021-02-15 11:31 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-15 13:28 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-15 19:48 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-17 01:33 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-17 14:21 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-17 14:24 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-18 16:13 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-18 19:13 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2021-02-18 19:17 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-18 20:37 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2021-02-18 21:12 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-19 10:40 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-19 14:16 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-19 14:33 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-19 19:09 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-19 19:29 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2021-02-19 20:00 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-20 18:05 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-20 21:28 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-21 01:40 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-19 14:56 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Enrik Berkhan <Enrik.Berkhan@inka.de> - 2021-02-18 20:10 +0000
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-18 23:52 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-19 10:38 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-19 14:08 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-19 14:43 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-19 19:23 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-20 18:08 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-20 21:37 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2021-02-21 00:26 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Enrik Berkhan <Enrik.Berkhan@inka.de> - 2021-02-19 14:52 +0000
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-19 16:25 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-19 19:32 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-19 19:36 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2021-02-19 19:52 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-19 19:59 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2021-02-19 20:07 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-19 20:07 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-19 20:27 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-19 20:31 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-19 20:42 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-20 18:10 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-20 21:38 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-15 11:40 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rainer Knaepper <rainerk@smial.prima.de> - 2021-02-18 00:14 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2021-02-13 18:42 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-12 22:52 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-13 01:28 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-13 09:32 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-13 20:38 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Holger <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-16 22:52 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-13 17:38 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-13 21:44 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-14 13:02 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 18:56 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-14 19:39 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 19:54 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 21:03 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-15 19:51 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-17 01:36 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-17 14:28 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rainer Knaepper <rainerk@smial.prima.de> - 2021-02-18 00:47 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-18 11:09 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-18 16:17 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-18 16:15 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-13 09:32 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Volker Bartheld <news2020@bartheld.net> - 2021-02-13 12:25 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-13 12:47 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Volker Bartheld <news2020@bartheld.net> - 2021-02-13 13:27 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Axel Berger <Spam@Berger-Odenthal.De> - 2021-02-13 13:51 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2021-02-14 00:29 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-13 17:40 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-13 20:35 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-14 13:08 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 18:59 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-14 21:13 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-14 21:28 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Rainer Knaepper <rainerk@smial.prima.de> - 2021-02-18 00:55 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Holger <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-18 05:08 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Leo Baumann <ib@leobaumann.de> - 2021-02-18 05:53 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2021-02-18 11:36 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-02-18 11:51 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-02-18 12:58 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2021-02-18 13:02 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Volker Bartheld <news2020@bartheld.net> - 2021-02-18 13:20 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2021-02-18 13:25 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Volker Bartheld <news2020@bartheld.net> - 2021-02-18 13:47 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2021-02-18 14:32 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Volker Bartheld <news2020@bartheld.net> - 2021-02-18 16:10 +0100
                Re: PC-Knopfzelle (ONtopic) Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2021-02-18 16:28 +0100

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