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  New Macbooks JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-28 00:39 -0400
    Re: New Macbooks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-28 18:33 +1300
      Re: New Macbooks pixel_a_ted <pixel_a_ted@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-28 17:29 -0700
        Re: New Macbooks pixel_a_ted <pixel_a_ted@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-28 17:29 -0700
        Re: New Macbooks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-29 14:34 +1300
          Re: New Macbooks pixel_a_ted <pixel_a_ted@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-28 19:10 -0700
            Re: New Macbooks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-29 17:32 +1300
              Re: New Macbooks JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-29 01:53 -0400
              Re: New Macbooks pixel_a_ted <pixel_a_ted@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-29 06:17 -0700
          Re: New Macbooks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-29 04:12 +0000
      Re: New Macbooks Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 07:20 +0000
        Re: New Macbooks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-06 06:34 -0400
          Re: New Macbooks Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-07 10:10 +0000
          Re: New Macbooks Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2016-11-07 20:05 +0000
            Re: New Macbooks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-07 17:12 -0500
              Re: New Macbooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-08 02:50 +0000
                Re: New Macbooks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-08 18:19 +0000
    Re: New Macbooks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-28 05:47 +0000
      Re: New Macbooks dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-13 20:29 +1100
    Re: New Macbooks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 10:25 -0400
      Re: New Macbooks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-28 15:51 +0000
    Re: New Macbooks me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2016-10-28 14:47 +0000
      Re: New Macbooks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-28 16:23 +0000
      Re: New Macbooks Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-28 16:16 -0400
        Re: New Macbooks me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2016-10-28 21:10 +0000
          Re: New Macbooks Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-28 17:49 -0400
            Re: New Macbooks me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2016-10-29 00:07 +0000
              Re: New Macbooks Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-28 20:22 -0400
                Re: New Macbooks me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2016-10-29 00:45 +0000
                  Re: New Macbooks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 20:54 -0400
                  Re: New Macbooks Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 09:44 -0400
                Re: New Macbooks Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-10-29 15:15 +0000
                  Re: New Macbooks Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-30 12:09 -0400
              Re: New Macbooks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-29 13:55 +1300
              Re: New Macbooks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 20:54 -0400
          Re: New Macbooks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-29 13:53 +1300
      Re: New Macbooks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-29 10:12 +1300
    Re: New Macbooks Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-28 16:11 -0400
    Re: New Macbooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:51 +0000

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#96062 — New Macbooks

Where is Lewis and Jolly Rogers to extol the virtues of the new
MacBookPro ? They have been silent today.

On twitter, the general consensus is that the presentation was boring as
hell, and the products underwhelming. That should have been an
announcement on the web and press release, not some big show that built
up expectations.

The 13° MacBookPro with full keyboard was speced with lower CPU speed,
half the ports as the model missing the top row of keyboard.

I can understand a "Air" having just USB ports. But a "Pro" should have
all sorts of ports, this is what differentiates it from the "Air".

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#96063

In article <5812d69e$0$62977$b1db1813$19ace300@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
> Where is Lewis and Jolly Rogers to extol the virtues of the new
> MacBookPro ? They have been silent today.

I did post a "News" message ... but I can't find it now. Maybe it
didn't get through.  :-(



> On twitter, the general consensus is that the presentation was boring as
> hell, and the products underwhelming. That should have been an
> announcement on the web and press release, not some big show that built
> up expectations.

That's partly thanks to Intel dropping the ball with CPU upgrades -
late arrivals, barely any real changes, etc.

The "Touch Bar" is the only thing new and that's a rather pointless and
ugly addition - just an addition for the sake of having something new
to show off by the look of it.

Unfortunately I don't think Cook nor Ive have anywhere near the ability
to be actually creative like Steve Jobs was.  :-(  Cook is too busy
sticking his nose into political issues and Ive is obsessed with
thinness.



> The 13° MacBookPro with full keyboard was speced with lower CPU speed,
> half the ports as the model missing the top row of keyboard.
> 
> I can understand a "Air" having just USB ports. But a "Pro" should have
> all sorts of ports, this is what differentiates it from the "Air".

The "entry level" MacBook Pro basically *is* a replacement for the
MacBook Air ... although the MacBook (non-Pro) would be a better option
to replace the redundant MacBook Air.



It may be interesting to see what Apple does with the next iMac (or
perhaps an even larger iPad) now that Microsloth have announced their
28in designer "Surface" that can fold almost flat to the desk ... an
idea Apple patented a while back, but hasn't so far used.

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#96111

On Friday, October 28, 2016 at 1:32:13 AM UTC-4, Your Name wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately I don't think Cook nor Ive have anywhere near the ability
> to be actually creative like Steve Jobs was.  :-(  Cook is too busy
> sticking his nose into political issues and Ive is obsessed with
> thinness.

You think everything Apple did under Jobs was due to his creativity? Even Ive has said that Jobs took too much credit.

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#96112

And the whole "thinness" thing was in full swing under Jobs.

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#96122

In article <1c246482-506e-493b-aafb-282d858767fb@googlegroups.com>,
pixel_a_ted <pixel_a_ted@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Friday, October 28, 2016 at 1:32:13 AM UTC-4, Your Name wrote:
> > 
> > Unfortunately I don't think Cook nor Ive have anywhere near the ability
> > to be actually creative like Steve Jobs was.  :-(  Cook is too busy
> > sticking his nose into political issues and Ive is obsessed with
> > thinness.
> 
> You think everything Apple did under Jobs was due to his creativity? Even Ive
> has said that Jobs took too much credit.

As I said elsewhere, Steve Jobs also had the ability of foresight and
understanding of what users needed (even sometimes when they didn't
know it). I'm not saying he created everything himself or came up with
all the ideas, but he could usually see what was and wasn't worth doing
and releasing. I'm not saying he even got it right every time.

Cook and Ive have virtually zero foresight or understanding. Cook is
just a paper-pushing manager with no real ability at anything, while
Ive is a great case designer, but doesn't have the first clue about
hardware or software.

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#96125

Agree about Cook and Ives but I'm hesitant to ascribe too much to Jobs as he was known to take credit for a lot of things.

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#96131

In article <1d2b5a41-2653-432d-9e69-06174371f018@googlegroups.com>,
pixel_a_ted <pixel_a_ted@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Agree about Cook and Ives but I'm hesitant to ascribe too much to Jobs as he
> was known to take credit for a lot of things.

Even if you assume that Steve Jobs did nothing concrete himself, he
still gave the go ahead for the ideas of other people with an uncanny
ability to know what was "right". Many of those other people are still
at Apple, many new people with new ideas have come along ... the
problem is Cook and Ive have no real idea what they are doing and have
nothing remotely like Jobs' ability to "foresee the future".

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#96144

On 2016-10-29 00:32, Your Name wrote:

> problem is Cook and Ive have no real idea what they are doing and have
> nothing remotely like Jobs' ability to "foresee the future".

On surface, it may look that way, but Cook may have some long term
strategies all done and may be executing them. Just because we don't see
them doesn't mean they don't exist.

One difference I think that that Jobs had visions of what the future
should be like, whereas I think Apple under Cook may be more influenced
by what marketing (aka: Shiller) says will be popular for christmas, and
Ive's obsession for thin.


Or it could be Shiller who pushes the "more thin" to the industrial
design group because he needs something to announce.


Unless you work at the executive level at Apple, you are unlikely to
know where direction is coming from and who pushes for what.

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#96147

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 12:31:23 AM UTC-4, Your Name wrote:
 
> Even if you assume that Steve Jobs did nothing concrete himself, he
> still gave the go ahead for the ideas of other people with an uncanny
> ability to know what was "right".

Maybe more than knowing what was "right" was his ability to promote it as something desirable, revolutionary and even "magical."

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#96127

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> Cook and Ive have virtually zero foresight or understanding. Cook is
> just a paper-pushing manager with no real ability at anything, while
> Ive is a great case designer, but doesn't have the first clue about
> hardware or software.

And you would be a better judge of their talents than everyone else,
because... Right. Maybe stick to the anonymous internet posts for now,
kiddo.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#96562

On 2016-10-28, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> The "Touch Bar" is the only thing new and that's a rather pointless and
> ugly addition - just an addition for the sake of having something new
> to show off by the look of it.

I'm looking forward to seeing how I adjust to it, given that I use an
external keyboard.   Maybe there will be some external mechanical
keyboards with TouchBars soon.

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#96574

In article <slrno1tmdn.qs6.howard@foxtrot.local>, Howard S Shubs
<howard@shubs.net> wrote:

> Maybe there will be some external mechanical
> keyboards with TouchBars soon.

quite likely. probably when they get around to updating the imac.

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#96613

On 2016-11-06, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrno1tmdn.qs6.howard@foxtrot.local>, Howard S Shubs
><howard@shubs.net> wrote:
>
>> Maybe there will be some external mechanical
>> keyboards with TouchBars soon.
>
> quite likely. probably when they get around to updating the imac.

Not likely mechanical if they're from Apple.  Matias, OTOH...

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#96627

On 06/11/2016 10:34, nospam wrote:
> In article <slrno1tmdn.qs6.howard@foxtrot.local>, Howard S Shubs
> <howard@shubs.net> wrote:
>
>> Maybe there will be some external mechanical
>> keyboards with TouchBars soon.
>
> quite likely. probably when they get around to updating the imac.

Maybe. Given Apple's obsession with making everything wireless, though, 
maybe not, as the TouchBar is probably a considerable rechargable 
battery hog.

It's also questionable how well it would work in an external keyboard 
anyway -- on a laptop it's virtually an extension of the screen so 
there's not much change of focus required to shift your gaze between 
them. The distance between keyboard and screen on a desktop machine is 
both greater and more variable.

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#96632

In article <nvqmq1$1dfa$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Calum
<com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:

> >> Maybe there will be some external mechanical
> >> keyboards with TouchBars soon.
> >
> > quite likely. probably when they get around to updating the imac.
> 
> Maybe. Given Apple's obsession with making everything wireless, though, 
> maybe not, as the TouchBar is probably a considerable rechargable 
> battery hog.

if it is, it just means apple will put in a bigger battery or it will
be a wired keyboard out of necessity.

> It's also questionable how well it would work in an external keyboard 
> anyway -- on a laptop it's virtually an extension of the screen so 
> there's not much change of focus required to shift your gaze between 
> them. The distance between keyboard and screen on a desktop machine is 
> both greater and more variable.

the distance between the keyboard and the display doesn't matter. the
touch bar is just another row of keys which *replaces* function keys
that were previously there and which nobody complained were too far
away or required changing one's focus.

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#96644

In message <071120161712257623%nospam@nospam.invalid> 
  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <nvqmq1$1dfa$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Calum
> <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:

>> >> Maybe there will be some external mechanical
>> >> keyboards with TouchBars soon.
>> >
>> > quite likely. probably when they get around to updating the imac.
>> 
>> Maybe. Given Apple's obsession with making everything wireless, though, 
>> maybe not, as the TouchBar is probably a considerable rechargable 
>> battery hog.

> if it is, it just means apple will put in a bigger battery or it will
> be a wired keyboard out of necessity.

>> It's also questionable how well it would work in an external keyboard 
>> anyway -- on a laptop it's virtually an extension of the screen so 
>> there's not much change of focus required to shift your gaze between 
>> them. The distance between keyboard and screen on a desktop machine is 
>> both greater and more variable.

> the distance between the keyboard and the display doesn't matter. the
> touch bar is just another row of keys which *replaces* function keys
> that were previously there and which nobody complained were too far
> away or required changing one's focus.

True, but the use of the Function Keys is a bit different than the touch
bar. No one was ever using the function row for more than a single
key press (or maybe two).

-- 
"I'm not bad; I'm just drawn that way."

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#96661

On 2016-11-08, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <071120161712257623%nospam@nospam.invalid> 
>   nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <nvqmq1$1dfa$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Calum
>> <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:
>
>>> >> Maybe there will be some external mechanical
>>> >> keyboards with TouchBars soon.
>>> >
>>> > quite likely. probably when they get around to updating the imac.
>>> 
>>> Maybe. Given Apple's obsession with making everything wireless, though, 
>>> maybe not, as the TouchBar is probably a considerable rechargable 
>>> battery hog.
>
>> if it is, it just means apple will put in a bigger battery or it will
>> be a wired keyboard out of necessity.
>
>>> It's also questionable how well it would work in an external keyboard 
>>> anyway -- on a laptop it's virtually an extension of the screen so 
>>> there's not much change of focus required to shift your gaze between 
>>> them. The distance between keyboard and screen on a desktop machine is 
>>> both greater and more variable.
>
>> the distance between the keyboard and the display doesn't matter. the
>> touch bar is just another row of keys which *replaces* function keys
>> that were previously there and which nobody complained were too far
>> away or required changing one's focus.
>
> True, but the use of the Function Keys is a bit different than the touch
> bar. No one was ever using the function row for more than a single
> key press (or maybe two).

In many cases there are single-tap buttons on the TouchBar. The
multi-touch feature is simply an *enhancement* to what came before. 

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#96064

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> Where is Lewis and Jolly Rogers 

It's "are" and "Roger" (singular). Learn the language, dip shit. It's your
primary language for fuck sake.

> to extol the virtues of the new
> MacBookPro ? They have been silent today.

You've got me confused with a fanboy or troll. I couldn't care less about
your ignorant and misguided thoughts about Apple.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#96774

In article <e7g74eFg7ldU1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > Where is Lewis and Jolly Rogers 
> 
> It's "are" and "Roger" (singular). Learn the language, dip shit. It's your
> primary language for fuck sake.
>
 
It's "for fuck's sake" for fuck's sake.
 
...
 
> You've got me confused with a fanboy or troll.

There is a phenomenon whereby something said can happen to be correct 
in spite of it being based on a misunderstanding. For example, I might 
think I see someone in a crowd that I know and who is generally 
regarded as a cunt (like you). But it turns out that it is not that 
person at all ... but, as luck would have it, is in fact quite a cunt.

-- 
dorayme

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#96065

In article <5812d69e$0$62977$b1db1813$19ace300@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Where is Lewis and Jolly Rogers to extol the virtues of the new
> MacBookPro ? They have been silent today.
> 
> On twitter, the general consensus is that the presentation was boring as
> hell, and the products underwhelming. That should have been an
> announcement on the web and press release, not some big show that built
> up expectations.

who cares what the consensus on twitter is. 

> The 13° MacBookPro with full keyboard was speced with lower CPU speed,

cpu speed isn't everything.

<http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/10/27/new-13-macbook-pro-wo-touch-b
ar-keeps-pace-with-higher-clocked-2015-retina-model>

> half the ports as the model missing the top row of keyboard.

4 usb-c/thunderbolt 3 ports is plenty.

> I can understand a "Air" having just USB ports. But a "Pro" should have
> all sorts of ports, this is what differentiates it from the "Air".

no need when usb-c can do it all.

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