Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service".

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Subject	Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service".
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Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:
> On 2/19/2024 2:20 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> 
>> For 'instant messaging' - i.e. iMessage versus WhatsApp - and video
>> calling/conferencing - i.e. FaceTime versus WhatsApp - it's irrelevant,
>> because end-to-end-encryption ensures that no-one has access to "their
>> personal information".
> 
> Wasn't Apple accused in the news of giving the government all the messages
> stored in their cloud without the government even bothering with subpoenas?
> 

They probably did obey the law.

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