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Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service".

From Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.android
Subject Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service".
Date 2024-02-20 21:22 +0000
Organization NOYB
Message-ID <ur38nk.ru4.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> (permalink)
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Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> > badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> > [...]
> > 
> >> Regardless of what iOS can or cannot do, the fact remains that Google
> >> admits to using your private data, and even use it to make money. Does
> >> Apple do that?
> > 
> >   Google uses "your private data" to present ads to *you*. That's how
> > they "make money", no "admit" nor "even" about it.
> > 
> >   If they would use "your private data" for any other purpose - without
> > your consent - they will be sued to smithereens, at least in the EU.
> 
> They'd have to be caught first. 

  Of course, but the FUD crowd implies it's done all the time. If so,
they *will* get caught.

> >   As I've said many times before, contrary to all the FUD, urban legends,
> > and other nonsense which is frequently spouted in these groups, I have
> > yet to experience *any* ill effect - i.e. 'spam', privacy issues, etc. -
> > from my use of Google products.
> 
> Of course you haven't suffered direct ill effects as that would hurt their
> business model. 

  So what *is* the worry/harm/<whatever>. "Bad things can and will
happen to you! News at eleven."?

> >   And Google does not even *have* any of my "private data", other than
> > the data which I provided, which is limited to my name, my/their e-mail
> > address, mobile number and birthday. That's it.
> 
> You're naive if you think that's all the data google has on you. 

  Yes, they have more data on me, but the question is, is that "private
data" and do they use it against my wishes/interests or/and do they
sell it to others? There's no actual proof of any of this, only
innuendo.

> They have a huge amount of behavioural data - unless you've been careful to
> switch off ALL tracking - which is significantly more valuable than your
> birthday. 

  Yes, I've been switching off all unwanted tracking, in my Google
Account, in the Google/Samsung parts of my phone, in the Microsoft parts
of my Windows laptop, etc..

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European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-15 10:11 -0500
  Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-15 16:08 +0000
    Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-15 15:17 -0500
      Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-15 20:36 +0000
        Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-02-17 09:29 +0100
          Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-17 10:46 +0100
          Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-18 15:58 +0000
  Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-15 23:47 +0000
    Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-16 14:47 +0100
      Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-02-17 09:35 +0100
        Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-17 15:26 +0100
          Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-18 18:40 +0000
            Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 20:02 +0000
        Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-17 23:12 +0100
          Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-02-17 23:43 +0000
          Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-17 20:07 -0500
            Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-18 20:46 +0100
              Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-18 21:17 +0100
              Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-18 15:26 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-25 20:27 +0100
      Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-02-18 19:44 -0800
        Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-02-19 05:28 +0000
          Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-02-19 06:16 +0000
            Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-02-19 17:14 +0000
              Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-02-19 12:04 -0800
              Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-02-19 15:07 -0800
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-02-19 15:47 -0800
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-25 20:37 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-25 16:08 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-02-26 10:53 -0800
          Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-25 20:31 +0100
            Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-25 16:05 -0500
              Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-26 19:52 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-02-26 20:38 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-26 22:49 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-02-27 10:56 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-27 13:38 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-02-28 07:36 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-01 13:17 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-01 13:17 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-03-01 23:41 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-02 22:32 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-26 19:01 -0500
        Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 11:32 +0000
          Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-19 16:29 +0000
            Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 16:59 +0000
              Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-02-19 17:23 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 18:23 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-02-19 20:47 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 21:07 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-02-19 22:11 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-02-19 14:22 -0800
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-02-20 21:32 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-02-20 13:55 -0800
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 09:57 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-20 14:41 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 10:45 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Oliver <ollie@invalid.net> - 2024-02-20 10:02 -0700
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 12:48 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 18:34 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 14:18 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 20:07 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 18:04 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-21 09:28 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-21 08:15 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-21 14:19 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-21 13:39 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-21 10:10 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2024-02-20 20:11 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 18:23 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 14:16 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 20:52 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 18:11 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-21 10:12 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-21 08:24 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-21 15:49 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-21 16:36 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-21 20:19 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-22 10:43 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-22 09:00 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-22 14:40 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-22 14:06 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-02-22 20:15 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-21 08:32 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2024-02-20 15:54 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-02-20 14:02 -0800
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-02-21 17:27 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 18:11 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-20 20:23 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-20 20:20 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 20:05 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 21:22 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". david <this@is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 14:50 -0700
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 18:14 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-02-21 12:58 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-21 13:50 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-02-21 23:29 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> - 2024-02-20 16:26 -0500
              Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-19 19:20 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2024-02-19 15:52 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 21:02 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2024-02-19 17:27 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-02-19 14:49 -0800
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 21:01 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 09:40 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-02-20 11:31 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". soyon <soyon@soyon.biz> - 2024-02-20 10:07 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 10:54 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 16:43 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-02-20 09:36 -0800
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-02-21 17:13 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Patrick <patrick@oleary.com> - 2024-02-20 11:13 -0600
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-02-20 09:34 -0800
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 10:47 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Charlie <charlie@nospam.com> - 2024-02-20 10:43 -0700
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 12:53 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Gelato <gelato@.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 16:57 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 18:15 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Gelato <gelato@.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 20:48 -0500
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                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-02-21 17:24 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-02-21 17:21 +0000
        Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-19 13:09 +0100
        Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-25 20:30 +0100
          Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-25 15:56 -0500
            Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-26 19:54 +0100
              Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-26 19:02 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-01 13:19 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-02 09:00 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-02 22:33 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-04 09:31 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-05 20:18 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 14:22 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-03-06 15:08 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-06 20:03 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Jan K." <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> - 2024-03-07 05:44 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-07 12:48 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-03-07 13:23 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-12 19:00 +0100
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