Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service".

From	Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups	misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.android
Subject	Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service".
Date	2024-02-21 15:49 +0000
Organization	NOYB
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Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2024-02-21 05:12, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> >> On 2024-02-20 15:52, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 2024-02-20 13:23, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >>>>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2024-02-20 04:57, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >>>>>>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regardless of what iOS can or cannot do, the fact remains that Google
> >>>>>>>> admits to using your private data, and even use it to make money. Does
> >>>>>>>> Apple do that?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>       Google uses "your private data" to present ads to *you*. That's how
> >>>>>>> they "make money", no "admit" nor "even" about it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>       If they would use "your private data" for any other purpose - without
> >>>>>>> your consent - they will be sued to smithereens, at least in the EU.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>       As I've said many times before, contrary to all the FUD, urban legends,
> >>>>>>> and other nonsense which is frequently spouted in these groups, I have
> >>>>>>> yet to experience *any* ill effect - i.e. 'spam', privacy issues, etc. -
> >>>>>>> from my use of Google products.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When I browse Amazon for products, my girlfriend sees ads for some of
> >>>>>> them on her laptop within 24 hours.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>      Same here. Probably you two are 'behind' a NAT router and 'hence'
> >>>>> share the same IP, which makes it hard for the ad generation to tell you
> >>>>> two apart. So much for the famous 'fingerprinting'.
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) Yes, and 2) that's not what I was referring to by fingerprinting.
> >>>
> >>>     I know. Here I am saying that *browser* fingerprinting apparently
> >>> isn't working. If it was, the ad should be able to target you, instead
> >>> of your girlfriend.
> >>
> >> You took one thing to be something that it isn't.  The ad targeted at
> >> her was due to IP address and had nothing to do with fingerprinting.
> > 
> >    Duh! That's what I'm saying. They *should* - at least - have used
> > browser fingerprinting, but they didn't.
> > 
> >>>>>>>       And Google does not even *have* any of my "private data", other than
> >>>>>>> the data which I provided, which is limited to my name, my/their e-mail
> >>>>>>> address, mobile number and birthday. That's it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sad that you shared your birthday.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>      I don't *share* my birthday, my Google *Account* has my birthday.
> >>>>
> >>>> So you "shared" your birthday with Google.  Not smart.  That data has
> >>>> since been sold to dozens of data brokers and onward to thousands of others.
> >>>
> >>>     Nope. Wrong continent. Google can't use - let alone sell - my account
> >>> data without my explicit approval, especially since I've specifically
> >>> turned off most sections of my public data. If they did, they would face
> >>> very hefty and repeated penalties. EU GDPR and all that.
> >>
> >> And they do.  They don't care.  The fines they pay are cost of doing
> >> business.
> > 
> >    More FUD. Where's your proof, facts, etc.? Yes, Google, Apple, the
> > lot, get frequent hefty fines, but not for selling data from people's
> > account which they specifically turned off. When doing business,
> > companies have to prove that they need certain data - i.e. in this
> > example someone's birthday - in order to be able to do business. If they
> > can't prove that, that's by default a violation.
> 
> They don't have to prove a thing.  The prosecution has to prove 
> malfeasance.  Google only needs to defend to the best they can.  They do 
> not open their Kimono.

  Yes, they *do* have to *prove* they're not violating the what is (not)
not needed rule. So in the example, they have to prove that the
customer's birthday is needed in order to be able to perform the
transaction. As the birthday is not needed in most cases, it's a by
default violation, unless they can prove otherwise.

  It's not a normal court case. The organization judges the alleged
violation. If they find it's a violation, they can take action, which
can of often does include a fine. *Then* the accused party can object
and try to dispute the case/fine. Same with the country-local
equivalents, they judge, they decide, they issue a fine.

  Moral: Don't pretend to know how the EU/country-local legislation on
use of personal data works.

[...]

> >>>> The matrix proximate to you called Frank gets more data
> >>>
> >>>     Sorry to rain on your parade, but my browser does not reveal my name
> >>> (just verified again with GRC's Shields UP!!).
> >>>
> >>>> The matric proximate to you called Slootweg gets more data
> >>>> The matrix proximate to you called FS@someemail.com gets more data
> >>>> The matrix proximate to you called your birthday gets more data
> >>>
> >>>     Same for these three.
> >>>
> >>>     *If* *I* provide any of this information, I do so in creating an
> >>> account, a commercial transaction, etc. and all these websites are bound
> >>> by the same EU laws with hefty penalties.
> >>
> >> See above.  Profit trumps.
> > 
> >    Nope. There are limits to what they can do. Besides the hefty fines,
> > the lawsuits, the reputation damage, etc. they can be banned from doing
> > any business at all. Google, Apple, et al have been repeatedly beaten
> > into submission. It works. (BTW, Apple just got another 500M Euro fine
> > for violating EU rules for music streaming services (reported by the
> > Financial Times).)
> 
> See below[AAA]
>
> >>>> More matrices are created and eventually the statistics of one
> >>>> correlates with the stats of another - they partially coalesce into
> >>>> denser and denser matrices with a high probability of being related to
> >>>> you.  This is innocuous - until it isn't.
> >>>
> >>>     That's the FUD and urban legends which are spouted. I don't dispute
> >>> that these things can/will happen to not-so-smart people or/and outside
> >>> the EU.
> >>>
> >>>     But they don't happen to *me*. I do get *no* personalized ads, I get
> >>> *no* 'spam' (UCE/UBE), I get *no* unsollicited phone calls/SMS, etc..
> >>
> >> That is not the sole use of the data collected about you.  It has value
> >> in ways that are not related to advertising or selling to you.
> > 
> >    Yes, I know. As I said, (with my precautions) sofar, so good. (As I
> > said (see quote below),) Much higher dangers than this to worry about.
> 
> [AAA.1]
> Point is: you do not know.  You believe you know.  But you have zero 
> idea of what is happening with your information that Google have 
> collected on you and re-sold to others.  You have no idea what these 
> others are doing with it.

  The point you keep ignoring that in order to be able to do anything
with "your information", 'they' first have to *have* such information.

  *My* *point* is that 'they' have very, very limited information,
because I provide only minimal information and 'they' can 'trace' only
very minimal information, because I'm not providing more to anyone.

> [AAA.2]
> You believe you are wrapped in the protections of EU law, but you have 
> no idea how data above you is collected, stored, processed and used 
> outside of the legal confine of the EU ... but is still useful to some 
> co. somewhere at some time.

  See [AAA.1]. No data in, no data out.

[Rewind/repeat:]

> >    Yes, I know. As I said, (with my precautions) sofar, so good. (As I
> > said (see quote below),) Much higher dangers than this to worry about.

  Dangers like data breaches, phishing, fraud attempts, ransomware
attacks, etc., etc..

[...]

  I'm done. I hope so are you. There's just no point.

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                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 10:47 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Charlie <charlie@nospam.com> - 2024-02-20 10:43 -0700
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 12:53 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Gelato <gelato@.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 16:57 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 18:15 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Gelato <gelato@.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 20:48 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-21 08:12 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-02-21 17:24 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-02-21 17:21 +0000
        Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-19 13:09 +0100
        Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-25 20:30 +0100
          Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-25 15:56 -0500
            Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-26 19:54 +0100
              Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-26 19:02 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-01 13:19 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-02 09:00 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-02 22:33 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-04 09:31 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-05 20:18 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 14:22 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-03-06 15:08 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-06 20:03 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Jan K." <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> - 2024-03-07 05:44 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-07 12:48 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-03-07 13:23 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-12 19:00 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-03-12 22:15 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-14 13:00 +0100

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