Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service".

From	Charlie <charlie@nospam.com>
Newsgroups	misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.android
Subject	Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service".
Date	2024-02-20 10:43 -0700
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On this Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:47:15 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:

> E2E encryption means exactly that.

Except when E2E doesn't mean anything at all, which is when everyone is not
fully inside the Apple walled garden (which requires an iCloud account).

Apple's own words are below from https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651

"With standard data protection, iCloud content that you share with other
people is not end-to-end encrypted!

Advanced Data Protection is designed to maintain end-to-end encryption for
shared content as long as all participants have Advanced Data Protection
enabled. This level of protection is supported in most iCloud sharing
features, including iCloud Shared Photo Library, iCloud Drive shared
folders, and shared Notes."

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European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-15 10:11 -0500
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    Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-15 15:17 -0500
      Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-15 20:36 +0000
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    Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-16 14:47 +0100
      Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-02-17 09:35 +0100
        Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-17 15:26 +0100
          Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-18 18:40 +0000
            Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 20:02 +0000
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          Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-02-17 23:43 +0000
          Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-17 20:07 -0500
            Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-18 20:46 +0100
              Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-18 21:17 +0100
              Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-18 15:26 -0500
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                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-02-19 15:47 -0800
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-25 20:37 +0100
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-25 16:08 -0500
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            Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-25 16:05 -0500
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                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-02-26 20:38 +0000
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                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-02-27 10:56 +0000
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                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-02-28 07:36 +0000
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                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-01 13:17 +0100
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                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-26 19:01 -0500
        Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 11:32 +0000
          Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-19 16:29 +0000
            Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 16:59 +0000
              Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-02-19 17:23 +0000
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                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-02-19 22:11 +0000
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                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 12:48 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 18:34 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 14:18 -0500
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                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 18:04 -0500
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                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 18:11 -0500
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                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-21 08:24 -0500
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                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-02-21 23:29 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> - 2024-02-20 16:26 -0500
              Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-19 19:20 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2024-02-19 15:52 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 21:02 +0000
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2024-02-19 17:27 -0500
                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-02-19 14:49 -0800
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                Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 12:53 -0500
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