Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple

From	Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Newsgroups	misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.ipad, comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple
Date	2013-02-01 05:59 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<slrnkgmmf0.128a.g.kreme@ananke.local> (permalink)
References	(8 earlier) <kecaa8$hc6$1@news.albasani.net> <dfmanno-C5D9DC.22054330012013@news.albasani.net> <_KKdnU9oCePTDZfMnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@earthlink.com> <droleary.usenet-8ACB72.15002331012013@news.eternal-september.org> <keetrc$idt$1@news.albasani.net>

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  AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Jan/31/2013 4:0027 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
>> In article<_KKdnU9oCePTDZfMnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>>   AV3<arviso@earthlink.net>  wrote:
>>
>>> It is quite natural in these circumstances to suppose that OSX and
>>> computers will not attract or receive the attention of Apple's most
>>> talented workers, and I can foresee a day when OSX and computers may be
>>> regarded as an expendable vanity legacy.
>>
>> Then clearly you know nothing of the technology behind Apple's products.
>> Every competent iOS developer will tell you that Mac OS X is a key part
>> of the apps they write.

> I don't expect OS X to disappear but to merge with iOS eventually. I do 
> expect the resulting OS to be much more iOS-like than OSX-like.

I know a lot of people believe this, but I think these people are all
stupid (sorry). This is something Microsoft would do… hell, something
Microsoft *has* done. Apple, on the other hand, understands that the use
of a dekstop computer, or a laptop, is different that the use of a
tablet or other touch device. Are there good ideas from iOS that will
migrate and have migrated to OS X? Of course. But 10.7 and 10.8 both
show us that Apple is going to be restrained about what it does, and the
biggest UI changes are around the consumer products to make them more
iOS like (and therefor more familiar to the majority of users).

If a version of OS X comes out without a Terminal.app and without the
ability to install applications from sources not vetted by Apple, then
that will be the first OS I don't install, btu I do not think that will
happen.

What I do expect to see happen is a further hardening of OS X (making it
harder to install other apps and making it harder for those apps to fuck
you), and a simplification of the UI to the point where the default user
is more guided and more constrained and less vulnerable, and where more
experienced users have an environment more like a "Standard" User now.

In fact, I am surprised this has not happened. I really thought that
10.8 would have Apple creating a standard user and an Admin user, and
logging the default user in as Standard. Instead, they went with
expanding the capabilities of the Recovery Partition in 10.7 and making
real fundamental security improvements to the whole OS.

The fact is that right now, if you want, OS X is as secure as anything
out there. Enable a firmware password and File Vault and no one is
getting at your data for a few million years unless your password sucks.
You can't get around it with a eprom reset, a physical disk, or even a
hex dump of the drive itself.

Now, will a touch enabled iMac change this? Sure, to some extent it
could, if that seems like a viable product. I am not at all convinced
that it is.

I know one thing, If I want to type  a message this long, I never want
to do it on a touchscreen.

> I expect the desk top computer to go the way of the console radio, and 
> the laptop to merge with a future super-iPad, which will have the 
> capacity to edit the most complex files and connect with devices like 
> today's computers. Apple itself removed the word "computer" from its 
> corporate name, so I would suppose that it will be called a super-iPad, 
> not a computer.

desktop computers will go the way of the pickup truck. Not everyone
needs to own a pickup truck, but some people really really need one and
most everyone needs to borrow one at some point. Will most people be
running around with iPads (or whatever) in 5 years instead of laptops
and desktops? Absolutely. All? Absolutely not.

Right now, if I were willing to encode all my years of recorded video
into iTunes compatible format, my entire household could get by with my
computer, our 2 AppleTVs, and our iPads. But my computer is critical
because it is the one with many TB of storage and all the TV and movies
ripped/recorded to it.

I am *not* willing to convert everything, so I need a Mac mini to talk
to the TV, and I like using the old MBP so I don't have to sit at the
computer all the time, and there are times my wife wants a computer and
so there is a second mini for her so her schedule doesn't impact mine.
But in terms of actual needs, one computer, 2 AppleTVs, and our iPads
would cover 99%.

-- 
So now you know the words to our song, pretty soon you'll all be singing
along, when you're sad, when you're lonely and it all turns out wrong...

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[OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 01:16 -0700
  Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-01-30 07:40 -0500
    Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-30 07:19 -0800
  Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2013-01-30 13:54 +0000
  Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-30 09:32 -0600
    Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 10:53 -0700
      Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-30 14:59 -0500
        Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 13:14 -0700
          Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-30 15:48 -0500
            Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-01-30 17:47 -0500
              Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-30 18:04 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-30 16:49 -0800
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-01-30 22:03 -0500
              Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 16:12 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-30 18:27 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 16:38 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-01-30 18:28 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-01-30 22:05 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-01-31 10:39 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> - 2013-01-31 15:00 -0600
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-31 13:33 -0800
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-01-31 18:13 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-31 18:35 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-31 21:00 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-31 19:10 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-31 22:07 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-31 20:49 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-02-01 00:01 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-02-01 00:10 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-01 06:06 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-02-01 01:28 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-01 16:44 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-02-01 08:45 -0800
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-02-01 08:43 -0800
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-01 17:38 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-02-01 23:18 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2013-02-03 11:49 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-03 23:20 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-01-31 20:57 -0800
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-02-03 00:36 +1300
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-01 06:01 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-01-31 21:47 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-31 20:57 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-01 11:00 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-01 16:50 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-01 18:55 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-01 22:05 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 00:15 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-02 18:29 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 19:42 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-02 15:49 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 19:38 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-01 23:04 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 00:13 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-02 11:25 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 11:19 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-02 17:07 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 19:36 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-02-03 22:34 +1300
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-03 23:16 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-04 21:48 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-04 23:38 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-02-05 22:33 +1300
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-02-05 05:35 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-02-02 07:20 -0800
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-01 12:03 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-02-01 12:04 -0800
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-01 21:29 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-02-01 23:28 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 00:04 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-02 18:29 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-02-03 10:00 +1300
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 19:41 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> - 2013-02-02 11:01 -0600
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-02 18:29 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> - 2013-02-03 10:23 -0600
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-03 22:17 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> - 2013-02-04 10:29 -0600
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-04 22:55 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-04 23:32 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-06 01:34 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-06 06:10 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-06 20:12 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-07 05:15 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-07 19:25 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-07 19:23 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-08 23:35 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-03 23:24 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-04 14:25 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2013-02-04 13:58 -0600
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-04 23:33 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2013-02-05 04:54 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-03 23:21 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-02-02 18:17 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-03 11:29 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-02-01 23:22 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-02 18:29 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-01-31 23:45 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-01 11:44 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-02-01 12:57 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-02-01 14:01 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-02-03 17:30 +0100
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> - 2013-02-01 11:23 -0600
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-02-03 15:37 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-03 13:52 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-01 05:59 +0000
            Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 16:00 -0700
              Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-30 18:10 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-30 16:32 -0800
            Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-31 10:18 -0600
        Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-30 14:43 -0800
        Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-30 18:40 -0500
          Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-30 18:44 -0500
            Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-30 16:02 -0800
          Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-31 10:23 -0600
        Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2013-01-31 14:24 +0000
          Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-02-03 15:58 -0500
        Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-31 10:16 -0600
          Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-31 18:41 -0500
  Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-01-30 19:19 -0500
  Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-01-30 22:00 -0500
    Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-30 22:41 -0500

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