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Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple

Date 2013-01-31 10:16 -0600
Subject Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple
From George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.ipad, comp.sys.mac.system
Message-ID <CD2FF4F4.97225%ghost_topper@hotmail.com> (permalink)
References <michelle-57B08A.01162230012013@news.eternal-september.org> <CD2E992A.971A9%ghost_topper@hotmail.com> <michelle-4868B2.10531030012013@news.eternal-september.org> <51097b86$0$43826$c3e8da3$9deca2c3@news.astraweb.com>

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On 1/30/13 1:59 PM, in article
51097b86$0$43826$c3e8da3$9deca2c3@news.astraweb.com, "JF Mezei"
<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 13-01-30 12:53, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> 
>> Unfortunately, no.  It's an accurate summation of the contradictory
>> criticisms being leveled at Cook.
> 
> 
> In the last days of Digital Equipment Corp, there was much debate on
> whether DEC should continue with its high price low volume or switch to
> lower price higher volume mantra.
> 
> DEC responded with its unwillingness to sacrifice profit margin and
> *risk* going to higher volume because it wasn't sure it was able to
> truly increase volumes sufficiently to balance out the loss of prfit margin.
> 
> DEC is dead.
> 
> prior to the iPod, Apple was a niche player. Not mass market. And Wall
> Street didn't care about Apple.
> 
> All of a sudden, with iPod and then with iPhone, Apple not only became
> mass market , but also dominated it. That got Wall Street's attention.
> 
> Now, Apple appears to be on a path where it must decide whether to
> remain a dominent player or cede the place to Samsung without a fight
> and downgrade itself back to niche player.
> 
> Apple seems to have made it clear that it will hapily cede its market
> dominence because it won't want to jeoperdize profit margin. And for
> now, Apple continues to grow even if it is losing market share and
> letting Samsung dominate.
> 
> This isn't such a simple cut and dry decision. One must also consider
> that Apple's ability to truly differentiate itself will diminish as
> smart phones mature and they all get pretty much the same features (and
> in many places, the iPhone is late to market with features such as NFC).
> So the ability to command higher prices may also diminish, especially as
> carriers wish to reduce or eliminate subsidies.
> 
> The Wall Street Casino is  short term machine. That pushes the "don't
> sacrifice profit margin" calls.  However, if Apple looks at the longer
> term, it must ask itself what a niche player will look like 5 years down
> the down. Will the iPhone still have sufficent market presence to still
> attract developpers/applications ?
> 
> What happens if Apple maintans high prices, loses market share, and then
> carriers decide to no longer subsidize expensice iPhones ? Apple will
> have to lower its profit margin, but by then, will have already lost
> much market share. In this scenario, Apple would have been better off
> lowering profit margin today in order to fight for market share it can
> retain high volumes instead of being forced back to niche player.
> 
> 
> The thing is that short term thinking is all in the pink because despite
> loss of market share, Apple si sstill growing and still generating
> record sales etc.
> 
> And remember that with the smartphone market maturing, the ability to
> for Apple to differentiate itself will diminish, so it will be harder
> for it to command higher prices.
> 
> The contradictory stuff from the Wall Street Casino Analysts reflects a
> debate betwene short and long term thinking, a debate I am sure is held
> within Apple's board.
> 

Interesting comparison...

<http://www.thestreet.com/story/11828124/1/why-tiger-woods-and-apple-are-cur
sed.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO>

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[OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 01:16 -0700
  Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-01-30 07:40 -0500
    Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-30 07:19 -0800
  Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2013-01-30 13:54 +0000
  Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-30 09:32 -0600
    Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 10:53 -0700
      Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-30 14:59 -0500
        Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 13:14 -0700
          Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-30 15:48 -0500
            Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-01-30 17:47 -0500
              Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-30 18:04 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-30 16:49 -0800
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-01-30 22:03 -0500
              Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 16:12 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-30 18:27 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 16:38 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-01-30 18:28 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-01-30 22:05 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-01-31 10:39 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> - 2013-01-31 15:00 -0600
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-31 13:33 -0800
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-01-31 18:13 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-31 18:35 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-31 21:00 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-31 19:10 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-31 22:07 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-31 20:49 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-02-01 00:01 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-02-01 00:10 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-01 06:06 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-02-01 01:28 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-01 16:44 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-02-01 08:45 -0800
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-02-01 08:43 -0800
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-01 17:38 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-02-01 23:18 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2013-02-03 11:49 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-03 23:20 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-01-31 20:57 -0800
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-02-03 00:36 +1300
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-01 06:01 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-01-31 21:47 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-31 20:57 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-01 11:00 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-01 16:50 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-01 18:55 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-01 22:05 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 00:15 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-02 18:29 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 19:42 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-02 15:49 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 19:38 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-01 23:04 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 00:13 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-02 11:25 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 11:19 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-02 17:07 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 19:36 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-02-03 22:34 +1300
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-03 23:16 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-04 21:48 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-04 23:38 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-02-05 22:33 +1300
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-02-05 05:35 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-02-02 07:20 -0800
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-01 12:03 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-02-01 12:04 -0800
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-01 21:29 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-02-01 23:28 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 00:04 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-02 18:29 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-02-03 10:00 +1300
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 19:41 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> - 2013-02-02 11:01 -0600
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-02 18:29 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> - 2013-02-03 10:23 -0600
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-03 22:17 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> - 2013-02-04 10:29 -0600
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-04 22:55 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-04 23:32 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-06 01:34 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-06 06:10 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-06 20:12 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-07 05:15 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-07 19:25 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-07 19:23 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-08 23:35 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-03 23:24 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-04 14:25 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2013-02-04 13:58 -0600
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-04 23:33 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2013-02-05 04:54 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-03 23:21 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-02-02 18:17 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-03 11:29 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-02-01 23:22 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-02 18:29 +0000
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-01-31 23:45 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-01 11:44 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-02-01 12:57 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-02-01 14:01 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-02-03 17:30 +0100
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> - 2013-02-01 11:23 -0600
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-02-03 15:37 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-03 13:52 -0700
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-01 05:59 +0000
            Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 16:00 -0700
              Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-30 18:10 -0500
                Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-30 16:32 -0800
            Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-31 10:18 -0600
        Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-30 14:43 -0800
        Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-30 18:40 -0500
          Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-30 18:44 -0500
            Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-30 16:02 -0800
          Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-31 10:23 -0600
        Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2013-01-31 14:24 +0000
          Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-02-03 15:58 -0500
        Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-31 10:16 -0600
          Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-31 18:41 -0500
  Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-01-30 19:19 -0500
  Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-01-30 22:00 -0500
    Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-30 22:41 -0500

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