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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.

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On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 01:22:19 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> On 4/27/17, 5:00 PM, in article op.yzdozfovjs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 00:13:28 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/27/17, 3:58 PM, in article op.yzdl4anmjs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
>>> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> I would be surprised if people asked the last... somewhat surprised by
>>>>>>> the second... and not at all with the first.:)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The last is solved by "disk light" - an extension for Mac OS.  Anybody
>>>>>> even mildly technical wanted it.  It's the only way to tell if the machine
>>>>>> has crashed or is busy.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Crashed or is busy? OK, Macs have horrid disk access speeds (those with
>>>>> hard drives) but they crash only very rarely.
>>>>>
>>>> They crash exactly as often as PCs.
>>>>
>>> Both crash rarely but, as is your norm, you have no support for your claim of
>>> them being exactly the same.
>>
>> My experience shows they crash at the same rate.
>
> OK, if your "exactly" was just a figure of speech or hyperbole I am with you

No, a rough estimate.  Could be 25% either way.

> -- both crash rarely, maybe once a year or so even under heavy use.

Depends what you do with them.  Heavy use can be once a month.  Do you run your CPU and GPU flat out 24/7?

> Even
> then I find the rare crashes I have with OS X are when I am running
> Parallels and generally more than one VM.
>
>>>>> But, sure, I have played with disk light or things similar to it years
>>>>> ago... never found the need. Not used it in years.
>>>>>
>>>> When the mac is unresponsive, it's handy to know if it's hung up or it's
>>>> waiting for the disk.
>>>>
>>> Use the Mac on a desk. Don't hang it.

But they're ornaments aren't they?  Form over feature.

>>> And if you want a disk monitor get one.
>>> Heck, use the built in one. Whatever.
>>>
>> What's wrong with an LED?  Why did Apple choose not to include one?
>
> No real value for the majoity of user. And I know I do not like blinking
> lights and the like.

They don't have to particularly bright or aimed directly at you.

> Heck, I have an external speaker and the NON-blinking
> light is covered mostly with white-out. Why the hell would I *want*
> something useless blinking and being a distraction.

It isn't a distraction since it's there all the time.  No more than the clock on your VCR.

> Would be an interesting study to see how much impact that particular
> distraction has on users. I bet you can make a study where it is shown to be
> measurable.

Yes somebody somewhere will waste money on studying anything.

But I find it very useful to determine what the computer is doing.

>>>>>> Why are you surprised at wanting a reset button?  If the machine is very
>>>>>> stuck and won't respond to any key or mouse input, why turn it off and
>>>>>> back on when you can press one button?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Most people would never think to ask for one and there is rarely if ever a
>>>>> need for it. How often does your computer not respond?
>>>>>
>>>> Mac or PC, probably once a month nowadays.  But macs didn't have reset
>>>> buttons back in the days of weekly crashes.
>>>>
>>> So you find you have to reset your computer once a month. Me, well, maybe
>>> once a year but I have a Mac.
>>>
>> Depends what you do with it.  Mine is worked 100% 24/7.
>
> What do you do to get it to crash? For me it is running multiple VMs at the
> same time and even then it is very rare.

Distributed computing.  CPU and GPU running flat out at 70C all day and all night.  The GPU actually come sold as running at 90C, which is ridiculous and would soon kill it.  I changed it to 80C (faster fan settings) but that still crashed too often.  70C seems to make it fairly rare.

>>> And then I use the reset button to reset it.
>>
>> They don't have those.
>
> You use yours a whole lot but do not know where the power / reset button is.
> No offense but I assumed you were more technical than that. Most in Usenet
> are, but many people in general are not. Sorry for the poor assumption on my
> part.

I don't have a Mac.  I supported them, but I don't own one.  Never seen one with a reset button (unless you find a paperclip).  Heck you can buy home made reset buttons on Ebay, so somebody wants them!

>>>>> And even the fan in my room has the press-and-hold to reset option. Not
>>>>> really surprising to most.
>>>>>
>>>> Press and hold the power button, then turn it back on.  Why not just reset
>>>> the computer?
>>>>
>>> I cannot reset it instead of resetting it... they are the same.
>>>
>> What?
>
> Exactly... makes no sense.

One is quicker and easier and more intuitive.

>>>> One click instead of a 4 second click, a pause, then another one.
>>>> Mac users are constantly telling PC users they need less button pushes....
>>>
>>> Who is?
>>
>> Mac users, I just told you.
>
> I look forward to the quotes where Mac users told you they can reset their
> computers with fewer button pushes. I bet you made that up.

Not for resetting, for doing everything.  It's their main gripe about Windows - too complicated.

>>> And once a year or less when you need to reset you have to press the
>>> reset button for a few seconds. The horror.
>>
>> I press mine for a fraction of a second.
>
> So it can be pushed accidently. Yuck. That is bad design.

Why on earth would I accidentally press a button?  It's no more likely than me pressing the switch on the wall socket.  That would have the same effect.  Or before they invented electronically controlled power buttons, the power button.

>>>>> You can get a PC a *lot* cheaper than a Mac. I know people who have moved
>>>>> to windows for the same reason.
>>>>
>>>> And yet you're arguing the other way recently....
>>>
>>> In a way you cannot quote, sure.
>>
>> You forgot what you just wrote?
>
> I do! That is why I know you just made up your claims. But you do that a lot
> with your trolling.

WTF?  Up there you said "You can get a PC a *lot* cheaper than a Mac", yet you're arguing with me ad nauseum that they're the same price.

>>> But here is the thing: when you make include your fantasizes of what I said
>>> it makes your stories not very believable.
>>
>> That is the worst English I've ever seen.
>
> I left in the word "make" -- which is just poor editing.

And wrote fantasizes instead of fantasies.

> Above you showed
> you do not know the difference between "less" and "fewer". In other words:
> my error was from carelessness, yours from ignorance.

Less and fewer mean precisely the same thing.  It's just ungrammatical to use the other one.

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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-27 23:58 +0100
  Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 16:13 -0700
    Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 01:00 +0100
      Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 17:22 -0700
        Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 11:40 +0100
          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 10:30 -0700
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