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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.

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On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 01:17:07 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> On 4/14/17, 4:58 PM, in article op.yypl69nhjs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>
> ...>>>>>> And will it run on older hardware?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course.  The problem is newer hardware than the OS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Old enough and it does not run well.
>>>>
>>>> Add more memory.  My current machine is 3 years old and will take 4 times as
>>>> much memory as required to run Windows 10 very well.
>>>
>>> Why bring up your relatively new machine?
>>
>> How old will it be when four times the memory is needed for the latest
>> windows?
>>
>> Anyway, a 10 year old machine is shit.  Even if you can run some antiquated OS
>> on it, it hasn't got the power to do much useful.  Get a 6 year old one on
>> freecycle.
>
> I am talking ones which are 10 years old (or so) and older. My wife's which
> is running Linux is that old... and it works fine for our needs.

Luddite.  The shittiest machine I have is a Q8400 quad core with 8GB RAM, an 80GB hard disk, and a Nvidea Geforce 9500.  It does nothing but run SETI, Einstein, Milkyway and Universe.  I'd never use such an old beast to interact with.  It was built from old parts given to me.

>>>>>>> Right now, for example, I have 10 or so year old Mac with a dead hard
>>>>>>> drive. Could get a new hard drive, fight to put it in (Apple does not
>>>>>>> make it easy)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember completely dismantling a macbook clamshell for a memory
>>>>>> upgrade. The corresponding PCs had a flap in the bottom, making it take 2
>>>>>> minutes instead of 2 hours.
>>>>>>
>>>>> This is an iMac... but, yes, it is absurdly difficult to open. I do have a
>>>>> (clean!) plunger I use to remove the screen. Stupid such is even needed
>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>> The first thing I always get asked when giving someone an imac is....
>>>> "Where's the bloody power switch?"  After that, "Where's the reset button?"
>>>> and "Where's the hard disk activity LED?"
>>>
>>> I would be surprised if people asked the last... somewhat surprised by the
>>> second... and not at all with the first.:)
>>
>> The last is solved by "disk light" - an extension for Mac OS.  Anybody even
>> mildly technical wanted it.  It's the only way to tell if the machine has
>> crashed or is busy.
>
> Crashed or is busy? OK, Macs have horrid disk access speeds (those with hard
> drives) but they crash only very rarely.

They crash exactly as often as PCs.

> But, sure, I have played with disk
> light or things similar to it years ago... never found the need. Not used it
> in years.

When the mac is unresponsive, it's handy to know if it's hung up or it's waiting for the disk.

>> Why are you surprised at wanting a reset button?  If the machine is very stuck
>> and won't respond to any key or mouse input, why turn it off and back on when
>> you can press one button?
>
> Most people would never think to ask for one and there is rarely if ever a
> need for it. How often does your computer not respond?

Mac or PC, probably once a month nowadays.  But macs didn't have reset buttons back in the days of weekly crashes.

> And even the fan in
> my room has the press-and-hold to reset option. Not really surprising to
> most.

Press and hold the power button, then turn it back on.  Why not just reset the computer?  One click instead of a 4 second click, a pause, then another one.  Mac users are constantly telling PC users they need less button pushes....

>>>>>> Some weird folk seem to like the Mac OS, but they want decent hardware at
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> decent price.  I've built a number of high end PCs to run Mac OS.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tend to use Macs. Right now Apple is insanely out of date with updating
>>>>> most of their hardware, but when you compare what you get compared to other
>>>>> OEMs they are in the ballpark (though you cannot opt OUT of getting
>>>>> something you do not want, say a built in camera). I personally like the OS
>>>>> and the programs that run on it for a lot of things but as with all systems
>>>>> it has pros and cons.
>>>>
>>>> And I bet you still have to pay more for out of date hardware.
>>>
>>> Don't know the current price comparisons, but in the past Apple has rated
>>> well FOR WHAT YOU GET. Does not mean you can get an inexpensive Mac.
>>
>> Nope.  Every time I've compared like for like power, the macs have been about
>> double the price.
>
> Here are the OLD comparisons I have logged... and I included every single
> one people pointed me to (have the requirements on the very ugly page):
>
>     <http://csma.gallopinginsanity.com/prices>
>
> Stopped tracking it after that as formally, but still keep a eye out for
> such articles. The trend seems about the same.
>
>> I even know someone who loved macs and hated windows, but
>> converted to windows solely because of Apple's over inflated prices.
>
> You can get a PC a *lot* cheaper than a Mac. I know people who have moved to
> windows for the same reason.

And yet you're arguing the other way recently....

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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-27 23:58 +0100
  Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 16:13 -0700
    Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 01:00 +0100
      Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 17:22 -0700
        Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 11:40 +0100
          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 10:30 -0700

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