Re: Apple Investors Beware?

From	Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: Apple Investors Beware?
Date	2017-05-27 20:06 -0600
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On 5/23/17 8:19 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2017-05-23 7:03 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
>> On 5/22/17 12:06 PM, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <ofv7jv$rcn$1@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer
>>> <wordworks@greeleynet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm all for the private car, but driverless car services are going to
>>>>>>> be huge thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only, perhaps, in the middle of large cities with a population density
>>>>>> that can make it worthwhile (at the expense of the taxi driver jobs).
>>>>>> Elsewhere they simply won't be economical to run and won't work ...
>>>>>> just like public transport now.
>>>>>
>>>>> they'll work perfectly fine in suburbs and even rural areas. the wait
>>>>> might be a little longer, but that's about it.
>>>>
>>>> I wish you'd define "rural", or even post some links to areas that you
>>>> consider rural.  Despite what a dictionary may say, "rural" is a
>>>> subjective term.  What you may consider to be rural, May not be rural to
>>>> me and thousands of others.
>>>
>>> it's not an either/or.
>>>
>>> the fact is that an autonomous vehicle doesn't give a shit whether it's
>>> in a city or the middle of nowhere.
>>
>> Go get one, let's prove it.  <G>
>>
>>>>>> And that's even ignoring that most roads around the world aren't
>>>>>> defined well enough for autonomous cars to understand, aren't mapped
>>>>>> well enough for GPS systems to utilise, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> complete nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> Golly, nospam, I feel sorry for you.  You are so isolated.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if you've posted an answer to my request to give a general
>>>> location of where your are as I have, but if you were to come visit,
>>>> I'll put you up.  And show you some roads that, if you were in an
>>>> autonomous car, I'm walking!  And roads they probably could not
>>>> navigate, and roads that are not on many maps, if they are on any at
>>>> all.
>>>
>>> what about those particular roads makes you think an autonomous vehicle
>>> can't handle them? just because they're not on a map?
>>
>> Tell me where you live, in general, and I'll tell you why.  And, I want
>> to see tests that are done during something other than the normal
>> environmental conditions.
>>
>>> a map is just one source of information and not the *only* source.
>>
>> That would be true, but where is the source of the information located?
>>
>>> what do you think a human driver does when he's on a road that his map
>>> says is not there? somehow, that person manages to figure it out.
>>
>> Most just keep going until they get somewhere.  LOL
>>
>>> as i said a week or two ago, autonomous vehicles have assorted sensors,
>>> including radar/lidar/optical, and can 'see' a lot more than humans can
>>> and analyze it a lot faster too. the vehicles can also tell whether
>>> they're on a paved road versus dirt road (or icy road, wet road, etc.).
>>> all via sensors, no maps required.
>>
>> But will they work in all conditions and situations?
>>
>> Don't just answer "yes", but "show me the data".
>>
>>>>>> It also ignores the fact that if anyone and everyone can then use a
>>>>>> car, the congestion is going to get WORSE, not better. You'll have all
>>>>>> the people who currently can't use a car able to use one (no license,
>>>>>> too disabled, too young, too old, even being used to pets being
>>>>>> sent to
>>>>>> the vet / groomer / dog walker or parcels being delivered), and you'll
>>>>>> still mostly have single-occupant vehicles
>>>>>
>>>>> those people are using cars, just with someone else driving. in the
>>>>> future, that someone else won't need to be there.
>>>>
>>>> Some yes, but not all.  Take Meals on Wheels as an example.  One vehicle
>>>> delivering meals to multiple folks.
>>>
>>> that would work quite well with an autonomous vehicle.
>>
>> Especially a van.  But since Meals on Wheels is a nonprofit operation,
>> they certainly aren't going to buy or rent one.  They will likely want
>> someone to give it to them.
>>
>>>>>> Just like the electric car, the autonomous car simply isn't the
>>>>>> be-all-and-end-all "solution" many numbnuts have blinkered themselves
>>>>>> into believe it is. Real cars and privately owned cars will still be
>>>>>> around for a LONG time yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> but not mainstream.
>>>>
>>>> They will be mainstream in some areas, but not in others.
>>>
>>> just like everything.
>>>
>>> the point is that car ownership will become less common because it
>>> won't be needed.
>>
>> "Need" sometimes doesn't factor into purchases.  I think "want" is a
>> bigger factor.
>>
>>>> I think when the are mainstream everywhere, society will be eating
>>>> Soylent Green.
>>>
>>> that is more true than you may realize.
>>
>> I don't think we are doing Soylent Green yet, but wouldn't be surprised
>> someone isn't working on it.
>>
>> Curiosity question, and expecting an honest answer...  Did you know what
>> Soylent Green was, or did you have to Google it?
>>
>>
>>
> 
> You keep throwing up roadblocks (see what I did there?) to autonomous
> vehicles that apply just as well to regular vehicles:

That is really a bad pun!  LOL

On just the vehicle issues I mention, that some wish to just toss aside, 
those are the types of issues *excellent* planners will address to get 
the best possible outcome.

> 'Especially a van.  But since Meals on Wheels is a nonprofit operation,
> they certainly aren't going to buy or rent one.  They will likely want
> someone to give it to them.'
> 
> How is that a legitimate point in any way?

Wish the attributions were better...  :-(  I've gotten so far behind 
here that I'm having trouble remembering where I was going with a 
thought.  :-(

Just the fact that the conversation seems to center around people not 
actually owning the autonomous vehicles.  The possibility will like 
exist that organization will want to own the vehicle so they have total 
control of the vehicle.


-- 
Ken
Mac OS X 10.11.6
Firefox 53.0.2  (64 bit)
Thunderbird 52.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
      and it's gone!"

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                Re: Apple Investors Beware? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-05-29 03:46 -0600
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                Re: Apple Investors Beware? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-06-03 05:35 +0000
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                Re: Apple Investors Beware? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-05-22 11:53 -0600
                Re: Apple Investors Beware? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-23 16:11 -0700
                Re: Apple Investors Beware? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-05-28 10:38 -0600
                Re: Apple Investors Beware? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-28 13:00 -0400
                Re: Apple Investors Beware? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-05-29 03:47 -0600
                Re: Apple Investors Beware? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-05-22 11:26 -0600
                Re: Apple Investors Beware? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-22 13:29 -0400
                Re: Apple Investors Beware? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-05-28 10:45 -0600
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                Re: Apple Investors Beware? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-05-28 21:14 -0600
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                Re: Apple Investors Beware? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-05-28 21:17 -0600
                Re: Apple Investors Beware? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-29 00:10 -0400
                Re: Apple Investors Beware? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-23 11:11 -0700
                Re: Apple Investors Beware? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-05-28 21:28 -0600
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                Re: Apple Investors Beware? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-05-28 10:46 -0600
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