Re: "Unhackable" Apple Confirms Malware-Infected Apps Found And Removed From Its Chinese App Store

From	FPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: "Unhackable" Apple Confirms Malware-Infected Apps Found And Removed From Its Chinese App Store
Date	2015-09-27 17:55 -0400
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On 2015-09-27 14:45:49 +0000, Slimer <.m@nsn.s> said:

> I'd love to see evidence that the premiums were already going up and
> that Obamacare slowed that down.

No, you really don't.  I know this because after I post it, you're 
going to either ignore it, or discount it.

> The average employer-sponsored family premium has gone up by $4,154 
> under Obama, from 2008, before he took office, to 2014, according to 
> the Kaiser Family Foundation’s annual employer survey conducted with 
> the Health Research & Educational Trust. The catch? That’s relatively 
> slow growth for premiums. The RNC may cast it as bad news, but it’s an 
> improvement compared with the growth in premiums before Obama took 
> office.

> Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers 
> and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 
> 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama 
> is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the 
> discrepancy gets even bigger: From 2000, the year before Bush was first 
> inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an 
> increase of 78 percent.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/

> Those complaints are at odds with the top-line numbers from the Kaiser 
> Family Foundation's annual survey of employer health benefits. The 
> report shows that premiums for employer-sponsored plans have increased 
> at a slower rate since the law was enacted in 2010.
> 
> None of that takes away from the economic hardship imposed on people 
> whose premiums have gone up since the law was passed. The complaints 
> are a reminder that looking only at averages can obscure those 
> individual stories. But when people argue that Obamacare has led to 
> higher overall costs for employer-based insurance, the data show 
> they're mostly wrong.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-02/obamacare-isnt-driving-up-health-costs-really

Health 

> insurance premiums experienced slower growth in most states following 
> the passage of the healthcare law, though incomes still failed to keep 
> pace across the country, according to a new study.
> 
> In 31 states and the District of Columbia, people who obtain medical 
> coverage through their employer saw premiums and deductibles grow more 
> slowly between 2010 and 2013 than in the past.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/228890-study-premium-growth-slowed-after-obamacare

Obamacare 

> Helps Slow Employer Health Costs Heading Into 2016 - Bruce Japsen
> 
> Employer healthcare costs have yet to fall, but the rate of growth 
> continues to slow thanks in part to cost management strategies, the 
> move away from fee-for-service medicine and a larger pool of insured 
> patients under the Affordable Care Act, new data shows.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2015/09/20/obamacare-yet-to-hurt-employer-health-costs-heading-into-2016/

So, 

go ahead, now, and tell me where they're wrong...  I'd be shocked otherwise.
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