Re: App]le Maps

Subject	Re: App]le Maps
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
References	(2 earlier) <221020151939385313%star@sky.net> <jMOdnQ1ONvR_47fLnZ2dnUU7-dOdnZ2d@giganews.com> <231020151447353963%nospam@nospam.invalid> <562aad24$0$62773$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com> <231020151805296391%nospam@nospam.invalid>
From	Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
Date	2015-10-24 10:24 -0400
Message-ID	<Ut-dnSwFs7cpCbbLnZ2dnUU7-eWdnZ2d@giganews.com> (permalink)

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On 2015-10-23 18:05, nospam wrote:
> In article <562aad24$0$62773$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>>> google refused to allow turn by turn directions, so apple had no choice
>>> but do their own maps.
>>
>> This was during Steve Jobs era.
>
> so what
>
>> Nobody really knows what really went on.
>
> google's terms of use were public, and turn by turn directions was not
> an option.
>
> apple has enough clout to negotiate their own terms, but google could
> have played hardball because they knew apple would have to scramble to
> do their own map back end.
>
> so while nobody knows what went on during the discussions between apple
> and google, everyone knows what was ultimately decided.

It was the immovable object and the irresistible force meeting.  Plenty 
of blame on both sides, IMO.  But Apple have paid the higher price by 
striking out alone.  They can afford it.  Strategically a very good move 
for Apple - tactically hasn't panned out all that great.

>>> plus, google was collecting vast amounts of customer data about how and
>>> where iphones and ipads were being used.
>>
>> Guess what ? It still does because that is what people use because Apple
>> Maps, while cute, is not reliable as a mapping product.
>
> some might use google maps, but a substantial number do not.

Nobody on Android is using Apple Maps.  I certainly don't use it all 
that much.  And outside the US and some other cities, if one wants to 
know what bus to take, Apple Maps is useless.

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App]le Maps JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-22 04:01 -0400
  Re: App]le Maps jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-10-22 21:04 +1300
  Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-22 08:48 -0400
    Re: App]le Maps Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 10:10 -0400
      Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-22 16:46 -0400
    Re: App]le Maps Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-22 18:19 +0000
      Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-22 18:05 -0400
        Re: App]le Maps JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-22 18:50 -0400
          Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-22 19:00 -0400
        Re: App]le Maps Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-23 06:51 +0000
          Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-23 14:15 +0000
          Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-23 14:31 -0400
            Re: App]le Maps Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-23 22:41 +0000
              Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-24 10:27 -0400
    Re: App]le Maps Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-10-22 19:39 -0400
      Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-22 23:54 +0000
      Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-23 14:39 -0400
        Re: App]le Maps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-23 14:47 -0400
          Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-23 18:52 +0000
            Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-24 10:18 -0400
              Re: App]le Maps Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-24 14:59 +0000
                Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-25 09:17 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-26 06:22 +0000
                Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-26 17:04 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-26 21:17 +0000
                Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-26 19:22 -0400
          Re: App]le Maps JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-23 17:56 -0400
            Re: App]le Maps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-23 18:05 -0400
              Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-24 10:24 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-24 16:21 +0000
                Re: App]le Maps Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-24 18:23 +0000
                Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-24 19:21 +0000
                Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-25 09:18 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-25 16:51 +0000
                Re: App]le Maps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-24 17:37 -0400
            Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-23 22:14 +0000
            Re: App]le Maps Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-23 22:45 +0000
              Re: App]le Maps JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-23 19:50 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-23 20:21 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-24 01:41 +0000
                Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-24 10:42 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-24 16:26 +0000
                Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-25 09:19 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-24 03:06 +0000
              Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-24 10:32 -0400
            Re: App]le Maps Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-10-23 21:32 -0400
          Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-24 10:17 -0400
            Re: App]le Maps Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-24 14:57 +0000
              Re: App]le Maps JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-24 13:46 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-24 18:12 +0000
              Re: App]le Maps JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-24 13:45 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-24 17:57 +0000
              Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-25 09:14 -0400
            Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-24 16:21 +0000
            Re: App]le Maps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-24 17:37 -0400
              Re: App]le Maps JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-24 20:55 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-24 21:05 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-10-25 16:57 +1300
                Re: App]le Maps dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-10-25 16:48 +1100
                Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-25 09:25 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-10-25 15:00 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-26 06:19 +0000
                Re: App]le Maps Király <ggrandish@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 16:39 -0700
        Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-23 18:50 +0000
          Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-24 10:18 -0400
            Re: App]le Maps Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2015-10-24 12:09 -0400
              Re: App]le Maps Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-10-24 13:27 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-10-24 10:40 -0700
                Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-24 19:20 +0000
              Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-25 09:21 -0400
            Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-24 16:21 +0000
              Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-25 09:23 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-25 16:51 +0000
                Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-25 18:24 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-25 22:55 +0000
                Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-26 17:03 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 21:59 +0000
                Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-26 18:12 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 22:20 +0000
                Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-26 18:27 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 22:38 +0000
                Re: App]le Maps Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-26 18:53 -0400
                Re: App]le Maps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 01:26 +0000
                Re: App]le Maps Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 08:53 -0700
                Re: App]le Maps Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 16:51 -0700
        Re: App]le Maps JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-23 17:55 -0400
  Re: App]le Maps me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-10-22 13:12 +0000
    Re: App]le Maps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-22 11:28 -0400
    Re: App]le Maps JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-22 13:08 -0400

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