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In article <mshnk2$nt7$1@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer
<wordworks@greeleynet.com> wrote:
> On 9/5/15 7:39 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
> > On 2015-09-04 19:16, Ken Springer wrote:
> >> On 9/4/15 4:53 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> >>> On 2015-09-04 18:45, Invid Fan wrote:
> >>>> In article <0PWdnQqxpe1gF3TInZ2dnUU7-VWdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> >>>> <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2015-09-04 05:42, Frank wrote:
> >>>>>> do new iMacs ship with user guide or manual?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Waste of paper.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is a get going guide.  OTOH, turn it on, enter (or not) the info
> >>>>> it asks for and get whatever you need from the Apple site or many
> >>>>> others.
> >>>>
> >>>> The only problem is if you're having trouble getting online. Having
> >>>> most of the Help info actually on the computer instead of online would
> >>>> be useful. There's no reason iBooks couldn't come with the correct
> >>>> manual pre-installed.
> >>>
> >>> Can't disagree with you.  OTOH, in a few decades of setting up new
> >>> computers I've never needed a guide in getting a computer online
> >>> (Windows, Mac, Linux, Solaris) within minutes of installing the basic
> >>> OS.  That includes a very nasty period for Windows+Modems and ISP's that
> >>> had no notion that users might need some guidance.
> >>
> >> The most negatively affected are the brand new user, not the experienced
> >
> > Back then I wasn't experienced.  Managed.
> 
> Any computer experience at all when you encountered your first GUI 
> system?  I actually skimmed/perused the manual that came with mine, 
> reading the parts that concerned me with what I was actually wanting to 
> do at the moment.  I found it to be helpful, wasn't fumbling around, 
> wasting time and energy, and getting overly frustrated.
> 
> > And it was much harder then, than now.
> 
> Since the first GUI machine, I've been able to fumble around in other 
> systems, but of course never discovered many of the finer points of what 
> you can actually do.

Nobody ever knows everything you can do. Even when there were manuals,
a lot of stuff was undocumented - extra keyboard shortcuts for example,
plus hidden "Easter Eggs".

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new iMac Frank <gno52@windstream.net> - 2015-09-04 02:42 -0700
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    Re: new iMac Frank <gno52@windstream.net> - 2015-09-04 04:19 -0700
      Re: new iMac Frank <gno52@windstream.net> - 2015-09-04 04:21 -0700
        Re: new iMac dmoorman <dmoorman4@comcast.net> - 2015-09-04 23:29 -0500
          Re: new iMac Frank <gno52@windstream.net> - 2015-09-07 02:16 -0700
            Re: new iMac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-07 10:00 -0400
            Re: new iMac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-08 08:48 +1200
  Re: new iMac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-04 08:13 -0400
    Re: new iMac Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2015-09-04 18:45 -0400
      Re: new iMac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-04 18:53 -0400
        Re: new iMac Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-09-04 17:16 -0600
          Re: new iMac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-05 12:19 +1200
            Re: new iMac Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-09-04 21:43 -0600
              Re: new iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-04 23:50 -0400
                Re: new iMac Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-09-06 09:50 -0600
                Re: new iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-06 12:34 -0400
                Re: new iMac Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-09-06 11:12 -0600
                Re: new iMac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-06 14:34 -0400
                Re: new iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-06 18:54 +0000
                Re: new iMac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-06 21:24 +0000
                Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-06 20:26 -0700
                Re: new iMac Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-06 21:22 +0000
                Re: new iMac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-06 20:26 -0700
              Re: new iMac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-05 16:24 +1200
                Re: new iMac Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-09-06 09:46 -0600
                Re: new iMac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-07 09:09 +1200
          Re: new iMac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-05 09:39 -0400
            Re: new iMac Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-09-06 09:54 -0600
              Re: new iMac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-06 12:10 -0400
                Re: new iMac Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-09-06 11:22 -0600
                Re: new iMac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-07 09:21 +1200
              Re: new iMac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-07 09:15 +1200
  Re: new iMac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-04 15:00 +0000
    Re: new iMac Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2015-09-04 20:45 +0100
      Re: new iMac Frank <gno52@windstream.net> - 2015-09-06 03:57 -0700

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