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| Subject | Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? |
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| Newsgroups | comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.portables, comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc |
| References | (11 earlier) <slrnrquali.1fdt.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> <aSRrH.889498$AN2.12718@fx46.iad> <slrnrr02p6.prk.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> <ceUrH.308904$1a1.122503@fx18.iad> <slrnrr08os.1j07.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
| Message-ID | <D5WrH.797928$eN2.187141@fx47.iad> (permalink) |
| Organization | UsenetServer - www.usenetserver.com |
| Date | 2020-11-14 14:20 -0500 |
Cross-posted to 3 groups.
On 2020-11-14 13:34, Lewis wrote:
> In message <ceUrH.308904$1a1.122503@fx18.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2020-11-14 11:51, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <aSRrH.889498$AN2.12718@fx46.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2020-11-13 19:54, Lewis wrote:
>>>>> In message <HhCrH.320247$GQ4.306084@fx02.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2020-11-13 15:20, Lewis wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <0VyrH.145047$Ml5.103301@fx24.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2020-11-12 14:21, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <uOfrH.514768$RY8.72367@fx48.iad>, JF Mezei
>>>>>>>>> <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Asll we know is "unified memory" which is meaningless marketing mumble
>>>>>>>>>> jumble.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> nonsense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is marketing speak to a degree. Per a Wikipedia article[1] the SOC
>>>>>>>> uses 3733 MHz LPDDR4X spec'd SDRAM as an included component within the
>>>>>>>> SOC. Still needs a memory manager though that may be more deeply
>>>>>>>> integrated in the CPU; likely has DMA of some kind, esp. for the GPU,
>>>>>>>> but other I/O as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] that source has no reference so I declare escape clause. But it's a
>>>>>>>> good bet if someone has seen that in System Info declared as such on the
>>>>>>>> many, many developer systems out there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What many many developer systems out there?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thousands...
>>>>>
>>>>> Nonsense. [1] <------
>>>
>>>> Really. Even my lowly Pascal compiler developer got one and very
>>>> quickly. It was underwhelming in the sense that the new compiler was
>>>> tested and ready in mere days.
>>>
>>> Again, the DTK Is NOT the M1 mac. At all.
>
>> Yeah, resolved in prior posts.
>
>> I wasn't being specific to the processor - only that Apple put out
>> thousands of transition developer kits.
>
> You were talking out the unified memory in the M1 chip and comparing it
> to the DTK.
I took your objection to be the word "Thousands". That was me
referencing the number of dev kits. Not what specific processor was in
there.
>>>> Simplest path: spec an existing type that is in the fabs capability and
>>>> meets the spec.
>>>
>>> Are you channeling JF?
>
>> Not at all.
>
> Seems like it. The M1 is not an "existing type" it is a new chip
> designed by Apple and made to their design. it is not being assembled out
> of other bits.
Those elements can come from different designers(companies) with the
data for the design transferred to Apple to integrate into their overall
design by specification.
Apple claim "16 billion transistors" for the M1. That can't possibly
represent the entire CPU + 8 GB or 16 GB of memory. (8 GiB would take a
minimum of 64B transistors for a DRAM and 6 times that for SRAM plus all
the interface logic (address decode, etc.)).
So, could be integrated as separate chips onto 1 carrier:
Looking at:
https://www.apple.com/v/mac/m1/a/images/overview/chip__fffqz3ljssi2_large.jpg
That looks like 2 memory modules integrated onto the same carrier as the
processor portion to the left.
IAC: we'll see in an M1 Mac if the memory "spec" is listed in the system
information. I look forward to your screenshot.
--
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens
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