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Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks?

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Subject	Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks?
Date	2020-11-14 08:29 -0500
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In article <kcOrH.306825$mK4.71532@fx03.iad>, JF Mezei
<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> 
> > Yeo, especially considering how simple the transition from Intel to ARM
> > was for the developers (One spent several days porting, but the others
> > did their ports in under a day and one spent less than 15 minutes).
> 
> 
> Simple enough that it will take months more for Adobe to release native
> Photoshop.

photoshop is a very complex app, with some core routines in assembly
that are hand tuned to specific versions of processors.

> If you want to create binaries that make use of the new various
> sub-processors like neural engine, image processor etc, support the
> integrated GPUs etc, you need to start putting in a lot of conditional
> code that applies only for a compilation targetted at the Mx chips, and
> still generate your normal code for all other platforms.
> 
> Remains to be seen how much use Adobe will make the the proprietary
> processors around he CPU, and how much Metal/GPU they will use.

photoshop is cross platform, so any change they make to the mac version
must also be done for the windows version so that the results are
identical for both. 

> It is also possible that merely recompiling wouldn't have yielded
> marketable performance.

given that portions of photoshop are x86 assembly, it would be
impossible to 'merely recompile' it.

> It is also possible that Adobe is waiting for usable Macs (aka: next
> models with more RAM) and the delay has nothing to do with the porting
> effort.

no.

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