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  How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-04-03 22:39 +0100
    Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-03 23:20 +0100
    Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2012-04-03 23:37 +0100
      Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 07:16 +0100
        Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 11:29 +0100
          Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 12:44 +0100
    Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-04-03 23:49 +0100
    Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 05:48 +0200
    Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 09:26 +0100
      Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-04 11:12 +0100
        Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 13:28 +0100
    Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 09:30 +0100
      Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-04-04 17:19 +0100
        Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 18:28 +0100
        Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 18:31 +0100
          Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 18:49 +0100
            Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 06:23 +0100
              Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 08:39 +0100
                Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 19:22 +0100
            Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 10:07 +0100
              Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 10:21 +0100
                Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-05 12:19 +0100
                  Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 13:14 +0100
                    Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 13:26 +0100
                      Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-05 14:01 +0100
                        Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 14:41 +0100
                        Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 15:03 +0100
                          Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-05 16:12 +0100
                            Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 17:54 +0100
                          Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 16:24 +0100
                            Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-04-05 17:33 +0100
                            Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 17:57 +0100
                          Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 17:55 +0200
                            Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 18:04 +0100
                              Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 18:51 +0100
                                Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-06 06:10 +0200
                                  Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-06 08:58 +0100
                      Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Frank de Bruijn <zuiderduin@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-06 08:23 +0200
                        Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-06 09:02 +0100
                          Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-04-06 14:34 +0100
                            Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-06 16:14 +0100
                    Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-05 13:48 +0100
                  Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 13:22 +0100
                    Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-05 14:16 +0100
                      Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 14:30 +0100
                      Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 14:38 +0100
                        Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-05 16:18 +0100
                          Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 16:45 +0100
                    Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 14:32 +0100
              Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 10:31 +0100
                Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 13:19 +0100
                  Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 14:10 +0100
                    Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 19:25 +0100
                  Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-05 14:21 +0100
                    Re: How can I find out who sent a vastly oversize e-mail? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-05 14:40 +0100

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#4847

> > Great, Frank, I will watch out for that in future. Thanks.

> Ages ago I wrote two simple utilities for manipulating either 

> a) attachments dragged out of Pluto, on their way to Attacher, or

> b) emails exported from Pluto, on their way to Attacher.

[snip]

> There's instructions and sample files with which you can play with the
> utilities in the zip, which is at:

>  http://www.wingsandbeaks.org.uk/AttFix.zip

> I do not know if they still work.

Thanks, Jeremy, I'll have a look-see.

Regards

Brian

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#4808

In article <527ba4514fbbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey
<bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:


> > Pluto should not be overwriting anything.

> Don't understand!

As I said, before debatching a mail download, Pluto backs up
the mail download and renames all the other backup
directories, so the previous download does not get
overwritten.

And in my experience will place a second (and third, fourth
if asked) copy of the same e-mail if it is fed with the same
raw e-mail.

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Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#4806

Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

> In article <527b948ba8dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman
> (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In article <527b9345f9bbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian
> >    Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > > Can I add to this, please. I have the same setup,
> > > Hermes and Pluto, which mostly just works. Sometimes, I
> > > have a problem with oversize downloads. Hermes was
> > > configured to accept any size.
> 
> Then change it. When you are offered a dangerously large
> e-mail, download it on its own, and, I would suggest, save a
> copy of the raw e-mail before Pluto tries to debatch it. Not
> using Hermes I cannot tell you where Hermes downloads e-mail
> to, but someone here can point you in the right direction.

If the message is too big for Pluto to handle then you need to stop Pluto
from seeing it.

Configure Hermes with a mazimum size, as detailed already in this thread.

If Hermes' message list window opens after a fetch and reports an oversize
message, if it's bigger than Pluto's maximum size then quit Pluto before
ticking the box to fetch it and clicking Execute.

After the mail has been fetched you will find the file in the directory
!NetFetch.Apps.!Hermes.MailDir.mailin.spool. You can then load this into
Attacher.

Remove the file before running Pluto again.

Alan

-- 
RISC OS - you know it makes cents

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#4813

In article
<gemini.m20acv009472g01tw.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>,
   Alan Wrigley
<spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> wrote:

> Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
> wrote:

> > In article <527b948ba8dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave
> > Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> > > In article <527b9345f9bbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian
> > >    Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > > > Can I add to this, please. I have the same setup,
> > > > Hermes and Pluto, which mostly just works.
> > > > Sometimes, I have a problem with oversize
> > > > downloads. Hermes was configured to accept any size.

> > Then change it. When you are offered a dangerously
> > large e-mail, download it on its own, and, I would
> > suggest, save a copy of the raw e-mail before Pluto
> > tries to debatch it. Not using Hermes I cannot tell you
> > where Hermes downloads e-mail to, but someone here can
> > point you in the right direction.

> If the message is too big for Pluto to handle then you
> need to stop Pluto from seeing it.

> Configure Hermes with a mazimum size, as detailed already
> in this thread.

> If Hermes' message list window opens after a fetch and
> reports an oversize message, if it's bigger than Pluto's
> maximum size then quit Pluto before ticking the box to
> fetch it and clicking Execute.

Ah, that sounds less user-friendly than POPStar.[1]

> After the mail has been fetched you will find the file in
> the directory
> !NetFetch.Apps.!Hermes.MailDir.mailin.spool. You can then
> load this into Attacher.

I would suggest putting a line such as the following into
Hermes !Run file

Filer_OpenDir
$.....!NetFetch.Apps.!Hermes.MailDir.mailin.spool
 688 310 200 400

which will place a small window towards the bottom of your
desktop, so that you can easily see exactly what Hermes is
downloading.

----------------------------------

[1] When POPStar finds an oversize message on the server it
stops downloading and throws up a dialgue box, from which I
have the choice of downloading it anyway, skipping it for
the moment, or deleting it off the server. If I choose the
last option, I have to confirm that I do want to delete.

POPStar also shows me the size of the e-mail, the sender and
the subject line, so it is pretty easy to make a decision,
and the decision time is also configurable. The default is
to skip large e-mails, so that they are just left on the
server while the smaller stuff is downloaded.

This makes it very simple to control which e-mails are
downloaded and when.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#4816

In article <527baa0e1csee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <gemini.m20acv009472g01tw.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>,
>    Alan Wrigley

[Snip]

> > If Hermes' message list window opens after a fetch and
> > reports an oversize message, if it's bigger than Pluto's
> > maximum size then quit Pluto before ticking the box to
> > fetch it and clicking Execute.

> Ah, that sounds less user-friendly than POPStar.[1]

[Snip]

> [1] When POPStar finds an oversize message on the server it
> stops downloading and throws up a dialgue box, from which I
> have the choice of downloading it anyway, skipping it for
> the moment, or deleting it off the server. If I choose the
> last option, I have to confirm that I do want to delete.

> POPStar also shows me the size of the e-mail,

That's actually pretty much what is offered by Hermes when it comes across
a message larger then you've configured it to download automatically.

Alan

[Snip]

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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#4819

Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

> In article
> <gemini.m20acv009472g01tw.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>,
>    Alan Wrigley
> <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> wrote:

> > If Hermes' message list window opens after a fetch and
> > reports an oversize message, if it's bigger than Pluto's
> > maximum size then quit Pluto before ticking the box to
> > fetch it and clicking Execute.
> 
> Ah, that sounds less user-friendly than POPStar.[1]
> 
> [1] When POPStar finds an oversize message on the server it
> stops downloading and throws up a dialgue box, from which I
> have the choice of downloading it anyway, skipping it for
> the moment, or deleting it off the server. If I choose the
> last option, I have to confirm that I do want to delete.
> 
> POPStar also shows me the size of the e-mail, the sender and
> the subject line, so it is pretty easy to make a decision,
> and the decision time is also configurable. The default is
> to skip large e-mails, so that they are just left on the
> server while the smaller stuff is downloaded.

In what way is this more user-friendly? Hermes does exactly as you describe
except that it doesn't halt the mail fetch for an oversize message but
reports it afterwards. So if you don't happen to be watching out for every
mail fetch you will at least get all the acceptable mail in your inbox,
where you can be reading it while your multi-megabyte messages are
downloaded if you choose to fetch them.

Alan

-- 
RISC OS - you know it makes cents

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#4826

In article
<gemini.m20dwv00buyng01tw.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>,
   Alan Wrigley
<spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> wrote:

> In what way is this more user-friendly? Hermes does
> exactly as you describe except that it doesn't halt the
> mail fetch for an oversize message but reports it
> afterwards.

Personally I do not like only finding out about it later.
POPStar will offer me the e-mail each time it checks that
particular mailbox. Certain other e-mail software does not
do that, making it much harder to delete spam off the
server.

> So if you don't happen to be watching out for
> every mail fetch you will at least get all the acceptable
> mail in your inbox, where you can be reading it while
> your multi-megabyte messages are downloaded if you choose
> to fetch them.

Sorry if I was not clear.

POPStar stops the download *temporarily* - the length of
time is configurable, I have it set to 15s - and after that
time is up, it continues to fetch the ordinarily sized
e-mail.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#4828

Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

> In article
> <gemini.m20dwv00buyng01tw.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>,
>    Alan Wrigley
> <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In what way is this more user-friendly? Hermes does
> > exactly as you describe except that it doesn't halt the
> > mail fetch for an oversize message but reports it
> > afterwards.
> 
> Personally I do not like only finding out about it later.
> POPStar will offer me the e-mail each time it checks that
> particular mailbox. Certain other e-mail software does not
> do that, making it much harder to delete spam off the
> server.

Each to his own I guess. I much prefer to see all my suspicious mails in one
list rather than have to interrupt what I'm doing each time it comes across
one, and then have to decide quickly on the spur of the moment what to do
with it. I can go through the list in my own time marking each one to be
fetched, deleted or deferred and then execute the whole batch in one go.

Alan

-- 
RISC OS - you know it makes cents

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#4817

> > 
> > > > Can I add to this, please. I have the same setup,
> > > > Hermes and Pluto, which mostly just works. Sometimes, I
> > > > have a problem with oversize downloads. Hermes was
> > > > configured to accept any size.
> > 
> > Then change it. When you are offered a dangerously large
> > e-mail, download it on its own, and, I would suggest, save a
> > copy of the raw e-mail before Pluto tries to debatch it. Not
> > using Hermes I cannot tell you where Hermes downloads e-mail
> > to, but someone here can point you in the right direction.

> If the message is too big for Pluto to handle then you need to stop Pluto
> from seeing it.

How can one tell if this the case? I've had 500k e-mails fail to download
and debatch and conversely, without any observable reason, perhaps within
the same day, 2,500k e-mail will download and debatch successfully. That
is, all within the Hermes max size configuration. The problem seems to be
independent of the setting of Hermes configured max size. I just don't get
it!

> Configure Hermes with a mazimum size, as detailed already in this thread.

> If Hermes' message list window opens after a fetch and reports an
> oversize message, if it's bigger than Pluto's maximum size then quit
> Pluto before ticking the box to fetch it and clicking Execute.

> After the mail has been fetched you will find the file in the directory
> !NetFetch.Apps.!Hermes.MailDir.mailin.spool. You can then load this into
> Attacher.

That's one of the problems. For unfathomable reasons, Attacher has never
worked for me when I have tried this.

> Remove the file before running Pluto again.

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#4797

In article <527b9345f9bbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey
<bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

[Snip]

> Can I add to this, please. I have the same setup, Hermes and Pluto,
> which mostly just works. Sometimes, I have a problem with oversize
> downloads. Hermes was configured to accept any size. However, from time
> to time files fail to download and just evaporate, after a long time
> out, or won't debatch and again evaporate.

> I've tried using Attacher but for reasons I do not understand it fails
> to resolve the problem. Baffled!

I'd try setting the maximum size to 8000kb and using your Argonet webmail
to get at the others.  I'm using Pluto 3.04e which is happy with email
sizes up to at least 8000kb, I remember that earlier versions couldn't
handle files of this size but when that was changed I don't remember.

Alan

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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#4805

> [Snip]

> > Can I add to this, please. I have the same setup, Hermes and Pluto,
> > which mostly just works. Sometimes, I have a problem with oversize
> > downloads. Hermes was configured to accept any size. However, from time
> > to time files fail to download and just evaporate, after a long time
> > out, or won't debatch and again evaporate.

> > I've tried using Attacher but for reasons I do not understand it fails
> > to resolve the problem. Baffled!

> I'd try setting the maximum size to 8000kb

I've taken note of this thread and have now done that.

> and using your Argonet webmail
> to get at the others.

What precisely have you in mind there, please? I use TapirMail, which
often gives me some idea that I am heading for a problem, but afterwards
is in the lap of the digital gods.

>  I'm using Pluto 3.04e

Same here, which leaves me somewhat baffled.

> which is happy with email sizes up to at least 8000kb, I remember that
> earlier versions couldn't handle files of this size but when that was
> changed I don't remember.

Yes, I seem to remember that, too.

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#4811

In article <527ba4d708bbailey@argonet.co.uk>,
   Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> > and using your Argonet webmail
> > to get at the others.

> What precisely have you in mind there, please? I use TapirMail, which
> often gives me some idea that I am heading for a problem, but afterwards
> is in the lap of the digital gods.

You need to use your browser to get to 
http://email.orpheusnet.co.uk/src/login.php

Just put in your username and password and away you go.  If you don't have
your username and password then you'll have to contact Orpheus for them.

Works fine with Netsurf and Oregano.

Alan

[Snip]

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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#4852

In article <527ba97d56alan_calder@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder
<alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> You need to use your browser to get to 
> http://email.orpheusnet.co.uk/src/login.php
> 
> Just put in your username and password and away you go.  If you don't have
> your username and password then you'll have to contact Orpheus for them.
> 
> Works fine with Netsurf and Oregano.

And Fresco.

Rosemary


-- 
Rosemary Miskin     ZFC Sm   miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk
Loughborough, UK             http://miskin.orpheusweb.co.uk

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#4815

In article <527ba4d708bbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey
<bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > and using your Argonet webmail to get at the others.

> What precisely have you in mind there, please?

[Snip]

Go to <http://email.orpheusnet.co.uk> and log in to your
account using your Orpheus e-mail id (something like xk15 or
cvd21) and e-mail password and look at your e-mail that way.

> >  I'm using Pluto 3.04e

Me too.

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Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
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#4822

In article <527baa84d2see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> In article <527ba4d708bbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey
> <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > > and using your Argonet webmail to get at the others.

> > What precisely have you in mind there, please?

> [Snip]

> Go to <http://email.orpheusnet.co.uk> and log in to your
> account using your Orpheus e-mail id (something like xk15 or
> cvd21) and e-mail password and look at your e-mail that way.

> > >  I'm using Pluto 3.04e

> Me too.

Thanks Alan and Russell. Sometimes the little grey cells just fail to work
at all. 8-)

However, there are puzzling issues.

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