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| Started by | Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> |
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| First post | 2012-03-07 08:55 +0000 |
| Last post | 2012-07-28 23:51 +0100 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 172 — 40 participants |
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Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 08:55 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 10:37 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> - 2012-03-07 11:32 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 12:58 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> - 2012-03-07 14:14 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:32 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-03-07 16:57 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:37 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-07 15:02 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 16:43 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:03 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 13:34 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:02 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:43 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 16:55 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-12 17:20 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 18:04 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-03-13 09:35 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 16:24 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstufff@mail.com - 2012-03-13 17:29 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 08:34 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 20:22 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 09:38 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-19 09:56 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-19 12:31 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-21 20:33 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 07:07 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 08:45 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 09:54 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-22 12:03 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 12:29 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-22 13:33 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-22 16:03 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 15:24 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 17:29 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 10:48 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:55 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:15 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 19:25 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:39 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 19:28 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-12 17:08 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-12 19:45 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-12 20:03 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 21:48 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 00:32 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-13 17:28 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:08 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:52 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 12:53 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 17:17 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-08 19:20 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 19:32 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 20:42 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 22:27 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 10:24 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 12:12 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-03-12 12:48 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "Barry Allen (news)" <evanallen@onetel.net.uk.invalid> - 2012-03-12 13:07 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:41 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:32 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 20:28 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-20 12:24 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-21 18:21 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 06:36 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 15:43 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 17:34 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-21 20:18 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 21:03 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 22:34 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 07:03 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:05 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 09:13 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:22 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 15:42 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:15 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:32 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 14:36 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:42 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:08 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-11 17:44 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 20:32 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-11 23:32 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 00:49 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 06:48 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 06:56 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 08:55 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-15 09:03 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 19:53 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 21:41 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 23:00 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:03 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-15 11:07 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:39 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 12:45 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 12:45 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-16 14:20 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 17:58 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-16 18:30 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-17 16:47 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:28 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Barry Punchard <barry.punchard@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-15 19:05 +0200
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 18:43 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 17:31 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-15 12:16 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 20:59 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-15 23:45 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 20:08 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Frank de Bruijn <zuiderduin@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-19 08:03 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-19 09:41 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-21 20:26 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 14:43 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-09 01:45 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:19 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:44 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 10:58 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:10 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 20:26 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-09 14:44 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Steve Drain <steve@kappa.me.uk> - 2012-03-09 16:27 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 09:25 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-10 16:44 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:53 -0800
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:29 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:23 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:24 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:12 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:37 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-07 17:25 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:48 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 16:36 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:05 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 09:52 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 06:04 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 10:00 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 11:25 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 13:27 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-07 14:07 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 12:30 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 17:54 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 01:39 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 01:50 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 22:19 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:37 -0800
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:47 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:56 -0800
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 05:06 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 07:37 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 11:23 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? duncancv@gmail.com - 2012-07-21 14:16 -0700
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-22 20:41 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 06:25 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-07-23 08:21 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 10:07 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 10:47 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-07-23 11:01 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 13:18 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 19:22 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-07-23 16:45 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-28 23:59 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-29 08:11 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-29 09:30 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-07-29 12:25 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-29 15:27 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Derek Haslam <dhaslam@boulsworth.co.uk> - 2012-07-30 20:19 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-07-30 20:56 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-07-30 21:25 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-07-30 21:55 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-07-31 19:08 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-07-23 20:44 +0100
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-24 06:08 +0000
Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-28 23:51 +0100
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| From | Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-03-11 17:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5da3e26e52.jess@itworkshop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #4092 |
In message <almarsoft.7856637915864181018@news.orange.fr>
Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> That said, CharMap is great for those elusive things like sexed
> quotes or whatever, but imagine writing to a French girlfriend if you
> had to stop and use the character map for each accent, you'd go
> postal before the end of the first paragraph!
So how would you do russian on RISC OS?
--
Jess Iyonix
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| From | M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-03-11 20:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <526ef20adbriscos@mdharding.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #4178 |
In article <5da3e26e52.jess@itworkshop.invalid>, Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote: > In message <almarsoft.7856637915864181018@news.orange.fr> > Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > That said, CharMap is great for those elusive things like sexed > > quotes or whatever, but imagine writing to a French girlfriend if > > you had to stop and use the character map for each accent, you'd > > go postal before the end of the first paragraph! > So how would you do russian on RISC OS? Wow! Nobody told me Cyrillic was a Latin script! Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk
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| From | Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> |
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| Date | 2012-03-11 23:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <526efd0ebaPaul@sprie.nl> |
| In reply to | #4178 |
In article <5da3e26e52.jess@itworkshop.invalid>, Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote: > So how would you do russian on RISC OS? Quite easily, actually. You will need a more or less normal RISC OS font, that has its top bit characters replaced by cyrillic characters, as well as an appropriate keyboard driver. Both are sold by the Electronic Font Foundry for reasonable prices. Exchange of cyrillic texts is a matter of creating a PDF file from the original document, for example. If you don't want to spend any money and yet type Russian on RISC OS, you could try to download a public domain cyrillic font (there are quite a few of them, really) and use the freeware programmable keyboard driver !KeyMap (mentioned earlier in this thread), that already comes with some predefined cyrillic keymaps. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers
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| From | Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-03-12 00:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <almarsoft.4360918666770267185@news.orange.fr> |
| In reply to | #4178 |
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:44:09 GMT, Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote: > So how would you do russian on RISC OS? It's a little more complicated than what we were discussing - accented characters. Your first step is to find a Cyrillic font. Then you'll want a keyboard layout that will provide the appropriate character codes when typing in Cyrillic. Both of these ought to be supported fairly simply on RISC OS (it isn't like asking for kanji support...), Territory module and Font ought to be capable. The question is - does this stuff exist? Best wishes, Rick.
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| From | Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 06:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <f6fcb57052.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #4178 |
The splash made by my post has died away, I will save all these posts and think about my needs. Pulling it together, it seems that one way or another, all OSs can do it, RISC, MS--DOS, Linux..., but maybe I should something that already exists, one of the various national keyboards. All the characters will be unicode characters, that will avoid lots of problems. I will think very hard about what sounds to represent and how. Some will be easy, "cough" will become "kof", "Cheese" will become "ceez", but should I try to represent Geordie "aah"? And I want to take a tough stance on "schwa", the "short neutral vowel sound" represented by q here - Ascot (ascqt), the (thq), away (qway), gather (gathq). As the characters are unicode, a receiver who knows nothing of the system will receive it correctly, and rub his eyes in bewilderment. Many will be dead against the new system: for them I need a way of converting the new spelling to the old. But some will be intrigued and want to take it up, they may think they know how to spell phonetically, but it will take some time to learn it, so I also need a way of guiding them in the new spelling. By default documents written in the new spelling will have a line saying "Written using NewSpell see URL http///xxx".. at the bottom (or the top?). It can be deleted, but if only out laziness, most writers will leave it there. A receiver can go to the URL and download all that is needed for him to convert it all to old spelling, or if he wants to, to use to write in the new spelling. Here I realise that a dictionary is central and the URL will have to provide it. I know of some. Americans who have to stage material in RP have a "hand list" and an "ask list" to distinguish between those /a/ sounds which are and are not changed by the RP sound shift, I don't know if there are dictionaries which list and classify alternative pronunciations. I am afraid I also have to think of possible attacks on the site, and I know nothing of how to defend it. Have I thought of all I need to think of? Michael Bell --
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| From | Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 06:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5270b6ac7fdave@triffid.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #4301 |
In article <f6fcb57052.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>, Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote: [Snippy] > Have I thought of all I need to think of? > Michael Bell In jest, Michael I think you've missed one item. Y'know, the padded jacket with the leather straps in various places. ;-) Dave -- Dave Triffid
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 08:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5270c19682Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #4301 |
In article <f6fcb57052.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>, Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote: > All the characters will be unicode characters, that will avoid lots of > problems. I will think very hard about what sounds to represent and > how. Some will be easy, "cough" will become "kof", "Cheese" will > become "ceez", but should I try to represent Geordie "aah"? And I want > to take a tough stance on "schwa", the "short neutral vowel sound" > represented by q here - Ascot (ascqt), the (thq), away (qway), gather > (gathq). Do please tell me this is April 1st. Do you also believe the earth is flat and the moon is made the Wensleydale? -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 09:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5270c24cf6spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #4306 |
In article <5270c19682Spambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > In article <f6fcb57052.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>, Michael > Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote: > > All the characters will be unicode characters, that will avoid lots > > of problems. I will think very hard about what sounds to represent > > and how. Some will be easy, "cough" will become "kof", "Cheese" > > will become "ceez", but should I try to represent Geordie "aah"? > > And I want to take a tough stance on "schwa", the "short neutral > > vowel sound" represented by q here - Ascot (ascqt), the (thq), > > away (qway), gather (gathq). > Do please tell me this is April 1st. Not long now; maybe he's limbering up? > Do you also believe the earth is flat and the moon is made the > Wensleydale? No, of course he doesn't so don't be silly! He just wants us to have a dozen or more spellings for every word instead of the one or two we have now. ;-) -- Dev Om Namah Shivaya | Om Pancha-vaktraya namaha
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| From | workstuff@mail.com |
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| Date | 2012-03-18 19:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <6ad1837252.news@mistymornings.net> |
| In reply to | #4306 |
In message <5270c19682Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
> Do please tell me this is April 1st.
>
> Do you also believe the earth is flat and the moon is made the Wensleydale?
>
True believers know that the moon is made of Roquefort.
BURN THE HERETIC!
;)
--
An Iyonix and a Beagleboard xM in Buskerud.
http://mistymornings.net
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-03-18 21:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <52729339acSpambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #4391 |
In article <6ad1837252.news@mistymornings.net>, <workstuff@mail.com> wrote: > > Do please tell me this is April 1st. > > > > Do you also believe the earth is flat and the moon is made the Wensleydale? > > > True believers know that the moon is made of Roquefort. > BURN THE HERETIC! But Wallace went there and it definitely /wasn't/ Roquefort! -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-03-18 23:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <almarsoft.4941874388688920498@news.orange.fr> |
| In reply to | #4391 |
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:53:17 +0100, workstuff@mail.com wrote: > True believers know that the moon is made of Roquefort. Wally! The moon made of a smelly French cheese? You jest, surely? The moon is made of Wensleydale. End of. Best wishes, Rick.
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| From | "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 11:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5270c7d22dUCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #4301 |
In article <f6fcb57052.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
> Have I thought of all I need to think of?
Have you thought of the already-existing phonetic spelling system used in,
for example, this French/English dictionary I have before me? It is
summarised in both languages on just two small pages.
It uses a theta character for the 'th' in thin, and an 'o' with a tilde for
the 'th' in the.
It also, interestingly, uses an 'n' with a curling dangling tail to
represent 'ng' as did the now-abandoned 'Initial Teaching Alphabet':
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_Teaching_Alphabet
The initial success of this was put down to not the efficacy of the system,
but the enthusiasm of adopters which made it seem to work. But really it
was the enthusiasm which caused the observed results. An interesting
lesson in the value of novelty.
I have never tried to get to grips with this dictionary phonetic spelling
system, relying on my listening skills and the friendly reflection I
receive when I err, but it looks like a goer for your purposes which would
also confer the internationality you seek.
Or am I, as sometimes happens, missing your point entirely? Is this
actually what you are proposing and it is merely the mechanics of getting
them onto the screen/into the printer that is the problem?
In which case I /would/ use a device such as I described in Message-ID:
<526d61f0c5UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> which can easily cope with 44 characters,
and abandon the QWERTY keyboard which was not designed for such a purpose.
John
--
John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject!
Who is John Williams? http://petit.four.free.fr/picindex/author/
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| From | Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 11:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5270cda8efsee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
| In reply to | #4308 |
In article <5270c7d22dUCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>, John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > the now-abandoned 'Initial Teaching Alphabet': > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_Teaching_Alphabet Thanks for tht reminder - most intersting. One, at least to me, obvious problem with all this is the spelling of plurals. I was taught, not unreasonably, that in English, a plural is formed by adding a final 's' (or sometimes an 'es'). The sound of that 's', though, while more often than not voiced, is nevertheless unvoiced after unvoiced consonants, so tiffs (keeping things vaguely computerish), tips, ticks, pits rather than spivs, bids, bibs, for example. Having separate characters for voiced and unvoiced 's' would mean complicating the rule for forming plurals (pluralz?) -- Russell http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk Russell Hafter Holidays E-mail to enquiries at our domain Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>
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| From | M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 11:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5270d0a436riscos@mdharding.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #4311 |
In article <5270cda8efsee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>, Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote: > In article <5270c7d22dUCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>, > John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > the now-abandoned 'Initial Teaching Alphabet': > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_Teaching_Alphabet > Thanks for tht reminder - most intersting. > One, at least to me, obvious problem with all this is the > spelling of plurals. > I was taught, not unreasonably, that in English, a plural is > formed by adding a final 's' (or sometimes an 'es'). Usually. But children, women, oxen . . Pluralen?? Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk
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| From | Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 12:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9c9ed67052.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #4314 |
On 15 Mar 2012 M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <5270cda8efsee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
> Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <5270c7d22dUCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>,
>> John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>> the now-abandoned 'Initial Teaching Alphabet':
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_Teaching_Alphabet
>> Thanks for tht reminder - most intersting.
>> One, at least to me, obvious problem with all this is the
>> spelling of plurals.
>> I was taught, not unreasonably, that in English, a plural is
>> formed by adding a final 's' (or sometimes an 'es').
> Usually. But children, women, oxen . . Pluralen??
Or if we go further back, "childer". It's the Deutsch influence in all
of these.
With best wishes,
Peter.
--
Peter \ / zfc Hf \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52
and \/ __ __ \ England.
family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
/ \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk
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| From | Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-03-16 12:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <00745a7152.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> |
| In reply to | #4314 |
M Harding wrote on 15 Mar:
> In article <5270cda8efsee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
> Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <5270c7d22dUCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>,
>> John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>> the now-abandoned 'Initial Teaching Alphabet':
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_Teaching_Alphabet
>> Thanks for tht reminder - most intersting.
I have the SIL Doulos alphabet as an Acorn font. It's related to the
International Phonetic Alphabe (IPA), which first fascinated me in
highschool French textbooks; it's used in some dictionaries to show
pronunciation; ITA might be a subset. (Ask me if you want a copy.)
Michael, look up "Shaw alphabet" on Google before re-inventing any
wheels. Among the many other hits:
The Shaw alphabet is a completely phonetic modern
replacement for the current alphabet. It is designed to help
speakers to write English effectively and ...
www.shawalphabet.com
George Bernard Shaw's will (1950) set up a competition to invent a new
alphabet. The winner is made up of rather elegant simple mnemonic
shapes designed to link together in handwriting, unlike the cumbersome
shapes you get by putting extra marks on top or under the characters
that (in Shaw's words) "the Romans invented for carving their public
notices in stone".
Among other innovations, the Shaw alphabet has no capital letters;
instead, a "namer dot" (like Acorn character 183) is placed in front
of a word to show it's a Proper Name. Now THERE -- coming back to the
original subject line of this thread -- would be an instant way of
getting twice the use from most of the buttons on a standard keyboard.
Shaw's play "Androcles and the Lion" was published in a parallel
version about 1960, the two alphabets on facing pages for easy
comparison.
As I said in an earlier post, I learned the Shaw alphabet in my teens
and still use it for shorthand. Two big questions, though:
- English phonetics vary widely around the world, and widely even
within England, so whose becomes the standard spelling?
- Do you want to lose our centuries of literature and word-roots?
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
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| From | Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-03-16 14:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5271632e14see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
| In reply to | #4336 |
In article <00745a7152.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote: > Among other innovations, the Shaw alphabet has no capital > letters; instead, a "namer dot" (like Acorn character > 183) is placed in front of a word to show it's a Proper > Name. Now THERE -- coming back to the original subject > line of this thread -- would be an instant way of > getting twice the use from most of the buttons on a > standard keyboard. Since none of the characters bears any relation to the characters on a standard keyboard, and since there are 45 of them, you would need three or four characters per key - you would need the current letters for writing in any other western langauage. [Snip] > Two big questions, though: - English phonetics vary > widely around the world, and widely even within England, > so whose becomes the standard spelling? I used to work beside a colleague from Aberdeen. If he spoke as he had been brought up to speak, no one in the room (all Scots) could understand a word. Same applies to most languages: I still remember my total incomprehension the first time I was in Montreal - I could find no correspondence at all between the speech I heard and that I was reasonably familiar with from time spent in France. And then, as a possible example of non-standard German, taken from a recent novel "Zum Tringa frogn Sie hoit, wod alle woin, und lossn S'Eahna as Göid mitgebn. »Und für mi zwoa Poor Weißwürscht und zwoa Brezn.«" > - Do you want to lose our centuries of literature and > word-roots? -- Russell http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk Russell Hafter Holidays E-mail to enquiries at our domain Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>
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| From | Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-03-16 17:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6027777152.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #4336 |
In message <00745a7152.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>
Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> M Harding wrote on 15 Mar:
>> In article <5270cda8efsee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
>> Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <5270c7d22dUCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>,
>>> John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> the now-abandoned 'Initial Teaching Alphabet':
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_Teaching_Alphabet
>>> Thanks for tht reminder - most intersting.
> I have the SIL Doulos alphabet as an Acorn font. It's related to the
> International Phonetic Alphabe (IPA), which first fascinated me in
> highschool French textbooks; it's used in some dictionaries to show
> pronunciation; ITA might be a subset. (Ask me if you want a copy.)
> Michael, look up "Shaw alphabet" on Google before re-inventing any
> wheels. Among the many other hits:
> The Shaw alphabet is a completely phonetic modern
> replacement for the current alphabet. It is designed to help
> speakers to write English effectively and ...
> www.shawalphabet.com
> George Bernard Shaw's will (1950) set up a competition to invent a new
> alphabet. The winner is made up of rather elegant simple mnemonic
> shapes designed to link together in handwriting, unlike the cumbersome
> shapes you get by putting extra marks on top or under the characters
> that (in Shaw's words) "the Romans invented for carving their public
> notices in stone".
> Among other innovations, the Shaw alphabet has no capital letters;
> instead, a "namer dot" (like Acorn character 183) is placed in front
> of a word to show it's a Proper Name. Now THERE -- coming back to the
> original subject line of this thread -- would be an instant way of
> getting twice the use from most of the buttons on a standard keyboard.
> Shaw's play "Androcles and the Lion" was published in a parallel
> version about 1960, the two alphabets on facing pages for easy
> comparison.
> As I said in an earlier post, I learned the Shaw alphabet in my teens
> and still use it for shorthand. Two big questions, though:
> - English phonetics vary widely around the world, and widely even
> within England, so whose becomes the standard spelling?
> - Do you want to lose our centuries of literature and word-roots?
Yes, I know of it and still have it. He assumed the pronunciation "of
his late Majesty King George V, commonly known as northern English"
Word roots - who cares about them? Very few I'm afraid.
Are they any use? Very little. I was once in Norway and had a jam jar
to open. On the lid it said "Vri av". I thought back to my English
roots and recognised "Wrist" - the twister and "Wring" to twist and
saw that "Vri av" meant "twist off", which I did. Was that little hint
worth all those Ws in Wrong places? NO!
A spell-checker turned t'other way round can convert between spelling
systems.
I think the public will accept some new letters in the Roman alphabet,
but they won't accept a wholly new alphabet. That's just my judgement
of course.
Michael Bell
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| From | Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-03-16 18:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <52717a0b86see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
| In reply to | #4341 |
In article <6027777152.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>, Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote: > Are they any use? Very little. I would dispute that. Seeing connections between words in different langauages is, I find, of enormous help in fixing meanings in my mind. > I was once in Norway and had a jam jar to open. On the > lid it said "Vri av". Given the context, the meaning was immediately obvious to me. In context, 'av' was obviously ''aff' or 'off', depending on how you pronounce it. Context is crucial, when getting to grips with bits of 'foreign.' > I thought back to my English roots and recognised "Wrist" > - the twister and "Wring" to twist and saw that "Vri av" > meant "twist off", which I did. Was that little hint > worth all those Ws in Wrong places? NO! -- Russell http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk Russell Hafter Holidays E-mail to enquiries at our domain Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>
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| From | Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-03-17 16:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <almarsoft.8498893770270140555@news.orange.fr> |
| In reply to | #4343 |
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:30:20 +0000 (GMT), Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote: > Context is crucial, when getting to grips with bits of 'foreign.' Yeah... I'm doing a repeat-after-me style course in basic spoken Japanese. Sometimes "watashi" (I) is said, sometimes it isn't. It would be kinda useful if it was explained why it is said here but not there... Context. Very important. Just ask your C compiler. ;-) Best wishes, Rick.
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