Re: Moving ISP

From	Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject	Re: Moving ISP
Date	2012-09-05 14:12 +0100
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<3c9174ca52.chris@o2.co.uk> (permalink)
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          Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <71feeec952.chris@o2.co.uk>, Chris Hughes
> <URL:mailto:news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <ant040909b49pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
>>           Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <52c9cea68espam.pling@btinternet.com>, spampling
>>> <URL:mailto:spam.pling@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <ant032235868BxcK@strongarm.half-baked-idea.co.uk>,
>>>>    Derek.Moody <derek.moody@casterbridge.net> wrote:
>>>>> If you are out of the minimum period, when you leave BT,
>>>> 
>>>> That presupposes that the possibility of using something other than BT
>>>> or a
>>>> BT reseller is likely to arise. The village is cabled by BT only and the
>>>> LLU is limited to the opal telecom setup (Talk Talk) nothing available
>>>> gives better speed (I've checked with other people in the village and they
>>>> all suffer bad or even abysmal bandwidth.
>>>> 
>>>> Now that the BT period (to keep the phone number I've always had, but Talk
>>>> Talk wouldn't release to anyone but back to BT) has ended I can look at
>>>> Plusnet or similar (BT by a different name)
>> 
>>> I would expect that for 99% of people 99% of the time their speed is
>>> governed by the physical network they are connected to.
>>> If you are on a cable network then you have no choice of ISP
>>> All other connections will be via the BT network, so you speeed will be
>>> goverened by BT (Unless your ISP have really screwed things up.)
>>> Any ISP claiming they can increase our speed by swapping to them is doing
>>> wishfull thinking (Unless you have a capped rate with your current ISP)
>> 
>> Sorry, but this is inaccurate information.

> Simplistic yes!

> But your type 4 & 5 both use BT cableing to get from your house to the
> exchange!

Mobile Broadband does not use BT wires at all !!

While its true the LLU one will use the existing BT line from house to 
exchange, the rest of it on the LLU network, not BT.

>> There are 5 types of ISP's
>> 
>> Those using BT wholesale (probably the majority)
>> 
>> There is Cable provide by Virgin
>> 
>> There is Satellite (of most use in more difficult to access areas)
>> 
>> There are Mobile Broadband services
>> 
>> There are also LLU unbundled ISP - although they do use the Bt wires,
>> they have there own kit in the Exchane and since they generally use
>> ADSL2+ can offer faster speeds - BT Wholesale don't control the speed
>> of these connections since the only bit of there kit involved is the
>> wires. Companies like O2, BE, etc..
>> 
>> I have two ADSL lines here, one is a BT provide service 2Meg service
>> 1.6meg really and they say they can't improve it.
>> 
>> But the O2 LLU connection I have over BT Wholesale wires is currently
>> running at 5Mb

> Unusual! As the limiting factor when that slow surely must be the cableing
> from your house to the exchange which BT Openreach? is responsible for.
> I suspect that connection to the LLU line may use more recent cableing to
> the area/road connection box from the exchange.

Since the slow BT connection *is* a new line!

And its not unusual at all, its more like ADSL2 as against ADSL2+

> So it sounds like a bit of a lottery, if you order a new line they you would
> probably be wired into the more recent cabling but could be connected up
> with the old!

That is entirely possible, you can also be sent via other exchanges 
that have spare circuits but your phone one is on your local exchange.

At one time at work, I had access to some interesting BT systems (well 
BT OPenreach/Wholesale) and we could see that some of our numbers were 
in fact being routed through other exchanges due to capacity issues).

Also if you move property in the same exchange area and keep your 
phone number they simply re-route the number via changing settings via 
a computer terminal. That saves BT money....

> But I suspect just changing ISPs will almost certainly use the same wire to
> connect to you exchange!

Yep, I was with Demon before O2 on the same number and Demon was 
usually around 2Mb, soon as I changed the difference was amazing.


-- 
Chris Hughes

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Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 09:56 +0100
  Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-03 10:13 +0100
    Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 11:16 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-09-03 12:32 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:39 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-03 16:08 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 23:16 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:13 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:37 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:50 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-09-06 10:06 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2012-09-11 13:14 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-11 20:03 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-03 18:26 +0100
  Re: Moving ISP M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-09-03 11:41 +0100
    Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 13:43 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 14:08 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP "Derek.Moody" <derek.moody@casterbridge.net> - 2012-09-03 19:33 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 23:22 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP "Derek.Moody" <derek.moody@casterbridge.net> - 2012-09-03 23:45 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-04 08:00 +0100
              Re: Moving ISP Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 10:42 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 11:24 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 12:13 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 13:55 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 16:07 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-09-04 11:23 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 13:53 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-04 20:23 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-09-04 21:24 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 23:19 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 07:46 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-04 23:16 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 13:10 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 14:12 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-04 17:53 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-05 13:14 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 14:19 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-05 18:12 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-09-05 20:45 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 23:47 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-09-06 10:10 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-06 10:23 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 17:50 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-11 16:46 +0100
              Re: Moving ISP druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-09-04 21:14 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-09-04 10:15 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 23:21 +0100
    Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-03 23:20 +0100
    Re: Moving ISP Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 22:36 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-11 16:57 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-11 20:39 +0100
  Re: Moving ISP Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 22:05 +0100
    Re: Moving ISP Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-09-03 22:39 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-09-03 22:46 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-03 23:08 +0100
    Re: Moving ISP Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-09-03 23:02 +0100
  Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 10:15 +0100
    Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-05 11:06 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 11:16 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 11:47 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 13:06 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 22:15 +0100
              Re: Moving ISP Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-09-05 23:14 +0100
              Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 23:49 +0100
              Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-06 08:02 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 12:11 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-09-09 20:11 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-09 21:12 +0100
              Re: Moving ISP Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-10 10:17 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP Paul Oates <oatespaul@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-10 17:39 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-11 07:54 +0100
    Re: Moving ISP (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-09-05 13:33 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP (OT) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-09-09 12:25 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP (OT) Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-09 12:41 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP (OT) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-09-09 13:12 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-10 18:50 +0100
              Re: Moving ISP (OT) Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-09-10 20:56 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP (OT) Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-10 22:05 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-09-10 22:20 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP (OT) Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-10 22:23 +0000
                Re: Moving ISP (OT) Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-09-11 07:13 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP (OT) Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-11 12:31 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-11 00:47 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP (OT) Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-09-11 07:14 +0100
              Re: Moving ISP (OT) "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-09-11 06:47 +0000
                Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-11 10:28 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP (OT) Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-09-11 16:14 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-12 18:58 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP (OT) Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-12 19:32 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-13 00:38 +0100
              Re: Moving ISP (OT) Graham Thurlwell <nospam@jades.org> - 2012-09-10 19:28 +0100
                Re: Moving ISP (OT) "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-09-12 18:55 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP (OT) Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-09-09 17:49 +0100
    Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 17:51 +0100
  Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-21 14:44 +0100
    Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-21 15:40 +0100
    Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-21 19:28 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-22 09:43 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-22 10:37 +0100
      Re: Moving ISP NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-09-22 10:10 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-22 13:13 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-22 14:09 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-22 14:59 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-22 14:21 +0100
        Re: Moving ISP Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-27 20:00 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-09-27 21:01 +0100
          Re: Moving ISP NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-09-28 10:27 +0100
            Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-28 11:34 +0100
              Re: Moving ISP Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-28 12:59 +0100
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              Re: Moving ISP "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-28 13:28 +0100

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